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The idea of psychic freedom is fantastic, but the idea that material existence is irrelevant, that people only need realise that in order to be happy one needs to pursue the life of a mystic, is highly idealistic at best and elitist at worst, especially since it seems to ignore the very real differences people experience in their material realities. For example, leading a comfortable middle class existence gives you far more time to cultivate an interest in Kabalah or whatever. I guess my hostility towards it comes from the "I'm alright Jack" attitude that often accompanies it - it is perfectly conducive to upholding even the most oppressive of status-quos. Am I missing the point completely?

yes you've missed everything. thanks for your essay about why you prefer staying in the dark.

I see, I guess I was wrong about you all along. Carry on...

I suppose we are all self-indulgent / self absorbed in our own ways... obviously some more than others though.

Don't test parson's ego man - or his beliefs. I think his point is that you can actually do more to help the world by being a psychic, than doing stuff for real... within the material world. I don't agree with it, but that appears his viewpoint. Stop doing whatever you can to help the world, and seek self-fulfilment (in this case becoming a 'psychic'), then you'll innately help the world.

Man I'd say you need to watch 'The Century of Self' parson, but I get the feeling you already have... I'd ask you to watch it again with respect to what you're advocating, but I don't think your ego would allow you to.

yeah. so you're pretty much a genius huh.

(that was sarcasm. i haven't mistaken you for a genius.)

Lol, sorry for taking a shot, I'm in a bad mood.

You're well-meaning, but you contradict yourself by using the material world to call people to the psychic cause. If you can affect the world much more on a psychic level than you can by doing things in the material world, surely this would be a complete waste of time?

i don't contradict myself. you demonstrate zero indication of understanding anything i've said.

You contradict yourself all the time. For instance your profile pic indicates you have a healthy sense of self-irony, but your posts come across all self-important and holier-than-thou.

I dunno about 'well-meaining'

always think about dimensions and stuff when im high but then i just get mad confused and listen to music instead.

Badman Juice wrote:always think about dimensions and stuff when im high but then i just get mad confused and listen to music instead.

beauty over truth, every time.

xarcane, i'd be real interested in paying attention to your pov as soon as i believe you have any idea what's being discussed

Could consciousness be a dimension..well they're only theories floating around atm. *puts her glasses on*

It's nothing I would doubt. Take Von Lommel's study on Near Death Experiences for example. It's been said that consciousness and recollection are restricted to the brain, so according to this idea , memories and thought ought to cease when you're dead. NDE patients have said to continuously experience their consciousness with the potential of perception outside their inanimate body. Possibly leading to a link of consciousness being experienced in another dimension without our common place ''body linked concept of spacetime''.Sort of like a dimension where all past, and future occurrences exist and can be observed at the same time, and instantly.

His theory is that instead of our thought and consciousness living inside our mind, it exist out of our bodies, in a broadened quantum field that even combines the consciousness of others.So this might relate to phase-space, a mathematical construct where the geometry of ever changing systems take place, or as Wikipedia describes ''a space in which all possible states of a system are represented. This isn't an easy concept to comprehend unless you've taken Quantum Mechanics, but the best way I can explain to those who might not understand is the connection between how our neural activity was fostered in a framework of mathematics, like how life on Earth developed around the rules of gravity. Entities in physical space, are transposed into perceptual space within phase-space.

Our collective consciousness with memories and all is stored in this phase-space, and the cerebral cortex (the part of your brain which controls expression, memory and sensory info) only acts like a transmitter for parts of our consciousness/memories to be received into our actual consciousness. It's not physically rooted. Ex. Your laptop doesn't create the internet, it only receives it. So perhaps consciousness is an entire entity all together. Leading to my opinion of it very well existing as a dimension..

LACE

brain-melt.

LACE wrote:Could consciousness be a dimension..well they're only theories floating around atm. *puts her glasses on*

It's nothing I would doubt. Take Von Lommel's study on Near Death Experiences for example. It's been said that consciousness and recollection are restricted to the brain, so according to this idea , memories and thought ought to cease when you're dead. NDE patients have said to continuously experience their consciousness with the potential of perception outside their inanimate body. Possibly leading to a link of consciousness being experienced in another dimension without our common place ''body linked concept of spacetime''.Sort of like a dimension where all past, and future occurrences exist and can be observed at the same time, and instantly.

His theory is that instead of our thought and consciousness living inside our mind, it exist out of our bodies, in a broadened quantum field that even combines the consciousness of others.So this might relate to phase-space, a mathematical construct where the geometry of ever changing systems take place, or as Wikipedia describes ''a space in which all possible states of a system are represented. This isn't an easy concept to comprehend unless you've taken Quantum Mechanics, but the best way I can explain to those who might not understand is the connection between how our neural activity was fostered in a framework of mathematics, like how life on Earth developed around the rules of gravity. Entities in physical space, are transposed into perceptual space within phase-space.

Our collective consciousness with memories and all is stored in this phase-space, and the cerebral cortex (the part of your brain which controls expression, memory and sensory info) only acts like a transmitter for parts of our consciousness/memories to be received into our actual consciousness. It's not physically rooted. Ex. Your laptop doesn't create the internet, it only receives it. So perhaps consciousness is an entire entity all together. Leading to my opinion of it very well existing as a dimension..

LACE

Interesting. It sounds like a trans-personal psychology in the context of quantum mechanics. The Australian Aborigines think we all tune in to a common 'dream time field' when we sleep and we are also bathed in a 7.8Hz field that is ubiquitous to the natural atmosphere of Earth (i.e. without man-made electromagnetic frequencies flying everywhere) so maybe ecological psychology will start paying attention more to physics to investigate different concepts of the medium we live in...

test recordings wrote:
Interesting. It sounds like a trans-personal psychology in the context of quantum mechanics.

Spot on, these two subjects so seemingly different at face value really compliment each other with offering us a better understanding of what we perceive to be our world.

LACE wrote:

test recordings wrote:
Interesting. It sounds like a trans-personal psychology in the context of quantum mechanics.

Spot on, these two subjects so seemingly different at face value really compliment each other with offering us a better understanding of what we perceive to be our world.

I get strange looks when I bring up quantum mechanics in seminars but biology is related to physics as much as psychology is to biology, it makes sense to string them together. Did you know inter-disciplinary research is on the up? It's about time, scientists need to stop living in little boxes when working together would be a lot more useful! The ignorance in each discipline about others glosses over 'unrelated' developments, to say the least...

Yeah, I mean that's ridiculous for them to give you looks, everything stems from each other..be it science, art, humanity, the stars...

I can see how it can go over most people's heads because these ''unrelated'' subjects explain things in such different ways. I think Quantum Mechanics being a language of hard mathematics is enough to deter people from using that resource in other disciplinaries.

But it's necessary in order to find a well rounded answer in these theoretical cases. I studied Astronomy in Uni, and there was no way I could truly understand and explain my research without knowledge in geology and physics, QM, statistics, chemistry and even psychology. Have you seen this?

http://neurosynthesis.files.wordpress.c ... erse-1.jpg

All the same we are..