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Posted: **Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:49 pm**

incyde wrote: my bad... i know its dance music but im just pointing out a few things ive learned in my courses, and as ive learned they dont always translate to the real world.

ah right cool, sorry if I sound stressed, it's not with you bro. just frustrated with the situation in general.

but yeah, legal representation just shouldn't be needed if everyone involved is safe... that's a big 'if' though I guess.

Posted: **Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:50 pm**

yeah as people have said surely barefiles brought rinse to people/places that would have never otherwise have even know it existed? this can't be a good move for rinse - they're essentially shitting on free advertising courtesy of a dedicated individual.
we used to listen rinse back wen we was 16-17 odd ( i'm 23 now old man) and when i started seeing its presence again in the last few of years i gotta say i was surprised it was still going.

Posted: **Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:57 pm**

Posted: **Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:58 pm**

this makes me sad.
Want to hear Rinse's and Ammunition's side of this .

Nothing but biggness out to Deapoh.

1 man army bruv!

(gud seeing u in london btw).

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:00 am**

incyde wrote:Oh and one more thing -

You know how it always says "unauthorized reproduction or public performance prohibited" on every record?

i can guarantee thats the next thing that tempa is going to start enforcing if they have to. just to warn you guys.

The concept of unauthorized reproduction or public performance is set for people who use these copyrighted songs to reach financial gain.

There has always been a huge grey area in regards to that with dj's who put out mixes online, but if it's done in the context of a 'not for profit' exhibition, most labels are fine. Once a person starts trying to put out mass produced materials with those songs on there, then it comes into the liscencing aspect, which is where the real legal issues take precedence.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:05 am**

Hunter S. Thompson wrote:The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:12 am**

Dis is sum.. BULLSHIT..

Out to Deaps.

Von's got your back.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:15 am**

drum syndicate wrote:
incyde wrote:Oh and one more thing -

You know how it always says "unauthorized reproduction or public performance prohibited" on every record?

i can guarantee thats the next thing that tempa is going to start enforcing if they have to. just to warn you guys.
The concept of unauthorized reproduction or public performance is set for people who use these copyrighted songs to reach financial gain.

There has always been a huge grey area in regards to that with dj's who put out mixes online, but if it's done in the context of a 'not for profit' exhibition, most labels are fine. Once a person starts trying to put out mass produced materials with those songs on there, then it comes into the liscencing aspect, which is where the real legal issues take precedence.

totally agreed man, i was just sayin that that's another thing that they would probably use to their advantage if they came into a scuffle with deapoh or anyone else hosting mixes with their recordings on it

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:15 am**

doomstep wrote:
Hunter S. Thompson wrote:The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.

wow, good quote. totally expresses my exact feelings right now

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:16 am**

UFO over easy wrote:
incyde wrote: my bad... i know its dance music but im just pointing out a few things ive learned in my courses, and as ive learned they dont always translate to the real world.
ah right cool, sorry if I sound stressed, it's not with you bro. just frustrated with the situation in general.

but yeah, legal representation just shouldn't be needed if everyone involved is safe... that's a big 'if' though I guess.

no worries, i am just as frustrated man. it really hits my nerves because i dont know how to feel about it, and i am powerless to do anything to stop it.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:28 am**

This is fucked up.

Big respect to Deapoh. No respect to Rinse. Dubstep scene would be a shadow of its current self without Barefiles...I know I wouldn't be part of it.

Someone should get some pro-Barefiles t-shirts printed..."Free Barefiles" (or something cleverer,

)

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:40 am**

problem is that the rinse stream is proper fucked for me most of the time so i depended on barefiles for recordings to hear any of the rinse djs and sets. all my distance and ntype sets have been downloaded because i cant stream it at work as easily as i can subfm.

i could undertand if it was KISS fm shows but rinse? cmon now...

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:45 am**

bagelator wrote:yeah as people have said surely barefiles brought rinse to people/places that would have never otherwise have even know it existed? this can't be a good move for rinse - they're essentially shitting on free advertising courtesy of a dedicated individual.
we used to listen rinse back wen we was 16-17 odd ( i'm 23 now old man) and when i started seeing its presence again in the last few of years i gotta say i was surprised it was still going.

Bigup.

Barefiles gave Rinse.FM way more of an international name that Rinse had ever created for itself. Rinse.FM would not be at the level they are at now if it werent for barefiles hosting rinse mixes.

Unfortunatly Rinse feels no compensation is necessary towards Barefiles and now wants to use all the momentum created from barefiles strickly to its own advantage.

Shame on Rinse.

Well, Deapoh didnt have to pay to get into FWD. Maybe thats the compensation?

d-range

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:59 am**

fight the power deap, clear channel be dammed! skream mentioned 70000? listeners last mo., he should start a stella sesh elsewhere i say...

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:05 am**

joep wrote:fight the power deap, clear channel be dammed! skream mentioned 70000? listeners last mo., he should start a stella sesh elsewhere i say...

yeah i was thinking, couldn't all the dj's just move... but it must be more deep rooted than that and i'm not gonna make claims I don't know anything about! problems must be getting paid and maybe contracts?! just can't get over how a pirate station is acting so fucked up! really disappointed by this, and deapoh has the support of all the people so hopefully we'll all make a stand in some way as this just isn't on at all!

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:48 am**

Big up Deapoh, seriously.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:55 am**

Big D each and every, the mans a legend.

He put the D in Dubstep.

Boycott RINSE still,

what do the rinse artists (Skream etc etc) think ?

GW

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:56 am**

big up Deapoh keep ya head up mate..

but from reading this is tempa , fwd rinse all owned by Sarah and gee

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:00 am**

nuff nuff respect to you deapoh for all the hard work you've put in for so long AND since the situation with Rinse has been brewing.

its completely disrespectful of Ammunition/Rinse to simply blank out everything Barefiles has achieved for 'their' product when they've decided that 'their' product is able to stand 'in the marketplace' independently.

don't mean to sound melodramatic but we'll remember this moment as a turning point: one of the things that sets dubstep apart from other music communities is loyalty and good vibes, maybe it ain't all so but barefiles will retain and attract support from dubsteppers (current and future) not only for the ace content but also for having some INTEGRITY.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:04 am**

this was posted at dissensus forum:

This is absolutely sickening.

It's so depressing to see organizations like Ammunition taking a leaf out of the majors books and acting like mobsters. Dupstep, Ammunition and FWD only exist because of pirates and the support of things like barefiles. I'd like to hear Geeneus, who I've always thought was a very reasonable guy, or someone else from Ammunition post a response to all this. As far as I can make out, there is nothing driving this but a very irrational form of greed, the type I usually associate with people who do way too much coke.

This is counterintuitive to the way innovation happens within music. I expect the majors not to get it, they never have, but when their terminal case of fuckwittedness starts to infect smaller labels, I'm at a loss. I heard some very depressing stories recently about certain high profile grime/dubstep artists doing some very low five-figure publishing deals at the behest of EMI, who could of and should have held out for six and are now finding themselves to be financially castrated. All of this bullshit seems to be originating with the same person. I'm not going to name names, but my advice is to avoid her at all costs.

deep !