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I can't stand all of these college / bar dj's that think they're the shit just because they use serato and can't beatmatch.

nylle wrote:i wonder if people who play in orchestras get pissed at people who only produce electronic music

Being one of those "orchestral" people... I can say quite truthfully that most of us don't get mad, we just don't pay attention to other genres till there is something worth listening to.

For instance, even though I had been a hiphop head for years, I didn't start listening to electronic till someone put me on to Aphex Twin and We (TM).
And even then, I was pushed in that direction cos one of my friends was one of Bjork's live violinists on her tour.

If not Aphex for his otherworldly creativity, most classical musicians really like (or at least respect) Squarepusher for his amazing bass playing. However, brostep wouldn't even be a blip on the classical radar.

therook wrote:I can't stand all of these college / bar dj's that think they're the shit just because they use serato and can't beatmatch.

Had a scene kid screw at me once after he sent me a mix with nothing but trainwrecks on; told me the purpose of a DJ was to pick good music, not to mix them together seamlessly.

no.

Unless you are mixing wax you are not a DJ. All this stuff with computers mixing for you is great if you are into that but I do not call that DJing.

Dubstep scene is desperate for DJs so whats the beef? I would rather hear more DJs than producers giving it a go.

serox wrote:
Dubstep scene is desperate for DJs so whats the beef?

How do you mean?

Anyone who says DJ is easy because they learned how to beat match in a week clearly has not got a clue. Some of my favourite DJs have been at it 20 years and are still improving how quick and slick they can do things! To get to the top level of mixing where a DJ can do an hour set that sounds like it was mixed by a computer (ie you hear no platter touching, only VERY small pitch changes that you cannot hear, tracks mixed in the right bars, no sudden moves on ANY faders and NO mistakes at all) takes close to 10 years to master.

wub wrote:

serox wrote:
Dubstep scene is desperate for DJs so whats the beef?

How do you mean?

most of them cannot mix for shit on wax?:) seriously sloppy mixing by most of the big names.

serox wrote:Anyone who says DJ is easy because they learned how to beat match in a week clearly has not got a clue. Some of my favourite DJs have been at it 20 years and are still improving how quick and slick they can do things! To get to the top level of mixing where a DJ can do an hour set that sounds like it was mixed by a computer (ie you hear no platter touching, only VERY small pitch changes that you cannot hear, tracks mixed in the right bars, no sudden moves on ANY faders and NO mistakes at all) takes close to 10 years to master.

So it's less that the scene is desperate for DJs, but DJs who in your view are better than competent?

wub wrote:

serox wrote:Anyone who says DJ is easy because they learned how to beat match in a week clearly has not got a clue. Some of my favourite DJs have been at it 20 years and are still improving how quick and slick they can do things! To get to the top level of mixing where a DJ can do an hour set that sounds like it was mixed by a computer (ie you hear no platter touching, only VERY small pitch changes that you cannot hear, tracks mixed in the right bars, no sudden moves on ANY faders and NO mistakes at all) takes close to 10 years to master.

So it's less that the scene is desperate for DJs, but DJs who in your view are better than competent?

I think the scene could do with a few more Youngsters behind the decks. He stands out way ahead of any of the other big names by years. His technical skills are spot on and his record selection/flow is serious. If we were playing trumps with Dubstep DJS he would be the card all the kids wanted because he wipes the floor with everyone.

Oh yea Wax is the only way to DJ I don;t even give a fuck abotu Vynl plus I really liek the fact that everything I need is really just on my computer and a midi controller, not some expensive turntables and other bullshit so that I can seem more "legitimate" to the scene. Vynl will be gone eventually and everything will be digital, so why are people so bent on preserving an archaic and more expensive methodology of djing music? I suppose my point is that the Djing is less of an art to me than making tunes which is the area I am much more interested in.

LordBid wrote:Oh yea Wax is the only way to DJ I don;t even give a fuck abotu Vynl plus I really liek the fact that everything I need is really just on my computer and a midi controller, not some expensive turntables and other bullshit so that I can seem more "legitimate" to the scene. Vynl will be gone eventually and everything will be digital, so why are people so bent on preserving an archaic and more expensive methodology of djing music? I suppose my point is that the Djing is less of an art to me than making tunes which is the area I am much more interested in.

Are you hating on DJs who use the same technology as you, just don't take as much time as you to learn it? Or are you saying that producers are just plain better than DJs?


[Also, your comments re; vinyl are so far off the mark it's not even funny]

LordBid wrote:Oh yea Wax is the only way to DJ I don;t even give a fuck abotu Vynl plus I really liek the fact that everything I need is really just on my computer and a midi controller, not some expensive turntables and other bullshit so that I can seem more "legitimate" to the scene. Vynl will be gone eventually and everything will be digital, so why are people so bent on preserving an archaic and more expensive methodology of djing music? I suppose my point is that the Djing is less of an art to me than making tunes which is the area I am much more interested in.

Each to their own. For me a DJ plays records. Playing tracks from a laptop/using a computer is something else. I am not saying it requires less skill or anything but I just think a DJ plays records.

People who cannot mix proper often say its easy or less of an art. DJing records and making records both require skill and years of dedication. The more you put into it the better you become so its nonsense for people to say they can mix in an attempt to make out how easy it is.

We can all make music but making good music is something else and the same goes for playing records.

wub wrote:
Are you hating on DJs who use the same technology as you, just don't take as much time as you to learn it? Or are you saying that producers are just plain better than DJs?


[Also, your comments re; vinyl are so far off the mark it's not even funny]

He is deluded and misinformed at best. I bet if he recorded an hours mix of wax there would be faults throughout and fingers and thumbs all over the place.

I have no problem with vinyl DJs. I have no problem with digital DJs. Providing they have got the skills, you can be mixing off cassette tape for all I care, music is music and the delivery medium is at the end of the day irrelevant.


What I do take issue with is vinyl DJs acting like proud old dinosaurs about their format and not acknowledging technology, or digital DJs mocking people who stick with traditional methods. Each to their own at the end of the day.

wub wrote:

LordBid wrote:Oh yea Wax is the only way to DJ I don;t even give a fuck abotu Vynl plus I really liek the fact that everything I need is really just on my computer and a midi controller, not some expensive turntables and other bullshit so that I can seem more "legitimate" to the scene. Vynl will be gone eventually and everything will be digital, so why are people so bent on preserving an archaic and more expensive methodology of djing music? I suppose my point is that the Djing is less of an art to me than making tunes which is the area I am much more interested in.

Are you hating on DJs who use the same technology as you, just don't take as much time as you to learn it? Or are you saying that producers are just plain better than DJs?


[Also, your comments re; vinyl are so far off the mark it's not even funny]

so easy to get yall flustered, Sure I probably would suck ass on wax. Do I care, not really. Also I am not saying that I am great at DJing, I def suck comparitivly but I can lay out a mix. Im saying that people that make the music they play are held in much higher respect by me than the other option. and what is off about my remarks about vinyl? I think that it is true, it is expensive to spin wax and pretty much every DJ I have seen in the last year uses CDJ's or a laptop, so I think that Indeed someday there will be no such thing as vinyl on the market, at least here in the US does not seem to me to be growing.

LordBid wrote:
so easy to get yall flustered, Sure I probably would suck ass on wax. Do I care, not really. Im sayign that people that make the music they play are held in much higher respect by me than the other option. and what is off about my remarks about vinyl? I think that it is true, it is expensive to spin wax and pretty much every DJ I have seen in the last year uses CDJ's or a laptop, so I think that Indeed someday there will be no such thing as vinyl as the market, at least here in the US does not seem to me to be growing.

a) You're not getting me riled, I've had this discussion many times and I imagine Serox has as well.

b) If price is the main reason for not spinning vinyl, then fair play.

c) Vinyl sales in the US rose by 14% in 2010

wub wrote:

LordBid wrote:
so easy to get yall flustered, Sure I probably would suck ass on wax. Do I care, not really. Im sayign that people that make the music they play are held in much higher respect by me than the other option. and what is off about my remarks about vinyl? I think that it is true, it is expensive to spin wax and pretty much every DJ I have seen in the last year uses CDJ's or a laptop, so I think that Indeed someday there will be no such thing as vinyl as the market, at least here in the US does not seem to me to be growing.

a) You're not getting me riled, I've had this discussion many times and I imagine Serox has as well.

b) If price is the main reason for not spinning vinyl, then fair play.

c) Vinyl sales in the US rose by 14% in 2010

Can you back that up with like a legitimate source and stuff?

LordBid wrote:

wub wrote:

LordBid wrote:
so easy to get yall flustered, Sure I probably would suck ass on wax. Do I care, not really. Im sayign that people that make the music they play are held in much higher respect by me than the other option. and what is off about my remarks about vinyl? I think that it is true, it is expensive to spin wax and pretty much every DJ I have seen in the last year uses CDJ's or a laptop, so I think that Indeed someday there will be no such thing as vinyl as the market, at least here in the US does not seem to me to be growing.

a) You're not getting me riled, I've had this discussion many times and I imagine Serox has as well.

b) If price is the main reason for not spinning vinyl, then fair play.

c) Vinyl sales in the US rose by 14% in 2010

Can you back that up with like a legitimate source and stuff?

Billboard - http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry ... 7891.story

Idobi - http://idobi.com/news/2010/09/cds-down-vinyl-sales-up/

Daily Telegraph (UK national newspaper) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... sance.html

LordBid wrote:
so easy to get yall flustered, Sure I probably would suck ass on wax. Do I care, not really. Also I am not saying that I am great at DJing, I def suck comparitivly but I can lay out a mix. Im saying that people that make the music they play are held in much higher respect by me than the other option. and what is off about my remarks about vinyl? I think that it is true, it is expensive to spin wax and pretty much every DJ I have seen in the last year uses CDJ's or a laptop, so I think that Indeed someday there will be no such thing as vinyl on the market, at least here in the US does not seem to me to be growing.

Everywhere I play in London has no CDJs at all. I know loads of people who still buy records so its all good.