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Re: Solar Storms

Post by knell » Sun May 13, 2012 10:32 pm

addressing d-t-r's methods of research:

the problem with your advice of "googling to do your own research", is that it will lead people into the corners of the internet that they already agree with, and then those sites will confirm those beliefs.

the only scientific "googling" worth doing is through Scholar, and you'll quickly notice that science has moved far, far beyond debating extraterrestrial sources for crop circles. There is a very obvious reason for this.

In fact, when you search "crop circles" on scholar, you find results on scanning tunneling microscopy, biology, zoology, ...but scholar stretches far, and a little deeper you'll find Colin Andrew's rambling book about aliens, from which this SJS intro quote is from:
It has confirmed to me that Colin Andrews is truly on to something with his belief that human thought plays a role in the crop circle phenomenon
...yeah, you could say that :)

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by noam » Sun May 13, 2012 11:05 pm

Kochari wrote:Do you think maybe these things sound crazy because we've always had access to one specific subdivision of life, until now? Previously you might have to study for a long time to gain understanding in one topic. Now I think we're less specialised; thanks to things like the internet, education and just people generally opening up we all have at least a passing understanding of science, maths, philosophy etc. Synthesis of ideas seems to be the key theme of this time, change is occurring but its all a combination of past things coming together to form one big change. This has been true on a large scale (Arab spring, London riots, etc) and on a personal level for me. I seem to be meeting more and more people who are just willing to talk and further our understandings from seeing another perspective. This in turn makes me want to talk more, and it builds and builds. These small connections lead on to more and soon there is a big connection. Richard Feynman - "Its not complicated, theres just a lot of it"

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the population at large is just as dimwitted and unaware as ever before

you could probably cull 90% of the earth's population and not lose anything of intellectual or evolutionary value, unfortunately i think we'd all fall into that 90% aswell so its best to avoid that kind of thinking but yeh, wait until you get into the working world, outside of your bohemian university pocket and you'll start noticing what i mean

i go to work and if i bring up ANY of this stuff im met with the kind of responses that led me to the above...

the worst thing is that you speak to people who're older about this stuff and they're like 'yehhhh i get you but i just cant be bothered THINKING about it'...

when you cant be bothered thinking, whats become of you??

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by Kochari » Sun May 13, 2012 11:15 pm

:( you made me sad noam. I don't wanna grow up.
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by TomatoAndBasil » Sun May 13, 2012 11:55 pm

Great discussion guys. :4:
Kochari wrote::( you made me sad noam. I don't wanna grow up.
Yeah, that feeling is definitely to do with where we are relatively age-wise. Whenever I walk through my university's library and see every person in there reading, racking their brains, just thinking (like noam mentioned) it makes me feel good about humanity. But indeed the greater (much, much greater) world out there is a place where people tend to avoid expending the energy of serious mental effort. They often spend enough effort in their day-to-day lives, working.

With regards to the crop-circles...I just can't quite see the bigger picture that d-T-r does. If the extra-terrestrial element wish to help us, why would they do so, only in crop fields? Why wouldn't they do it in a much more explicit way? Maybe even scorching rock with these patterns would be more remarkable and attention worthy than just flattening some plants.

And I agree with noam's point about ancient civilisations having a much greater aptitude for reading nature, in its patterns and phenomena. They were just really good at certain things.
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by noam » Mon May 14, 2012 1:06 am

Kochari wrote::( you made me sad noam. I don't wanna grow up.
sorry dude, was on a bad'un

just watched The Bucket List tho... on a good'un now :h:

its not all doom n gloom dont worry, but do try to avoid a shit job where the sum creativity of your colleagues is the equivalent of a collective fart

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by knell » Mon May 14, 2012 1:49 am

noam wrote: the population at large is just as dimwitted and unaware as ever before

you could probably cull 90% of the earth's population and not lose anything of intellectual or evolutionary value, unfortunately i think we'd all fall into that 90% aswell so its best to avoid that kind of thinking but yeh, wait until you get into the working world, outside of your bohemian university pocket and you'll start noticing what i mean

i go to work and if i bring up ANY of this stuff im met with the kind of responses that led me to the above...

the worst thing is that you speak to people who're older about this stuff and they're like 'yehhhh i get you but i just cant be bothered THINKING about it'...

when you cant be bothered thinking, whats become of you??
i share similar sentiments, but it's important to recognize the varying types of intelligence. the vast majority of physicists/cosmologists i know are awful farmers / foragers / hunters, so they wouldn't last very long without someone who knows how to find food for them. even modern medical professionals need factories that build their equipment and technology, so some manual laborers/engineers/oil refiners/ would have to be included as well if you want to progress modern medicine.

unless you're talking about pure survival, which in that case all you'd need are, well... survivalists. big strong smart ladies and gentleman who are good with nature.

the thought experiment is kind of like one of those zombie survival games where you have to pick a perfect team, but everyone has their own positives and negatives. those things are much more eloquent on paper though.

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by noam » Mon May 14, 2012 2:16 am

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noam wrote: the population at large is just as dimwitted and unaware as ever before

you could probably cull 90% of the earth's population and not lose anything of intellectual or evolutionary value, unfortunately i think we'd all fall into that 90% aswell so its best to avoid that kind of thinking but yeh, wait until you get into the working world, outside of your bohemian university pocket and you'll start noticing what i mean

i go to work and if i bring up ANY of this stuff im met with the kind of responses that led me to the above...

the worst thing is that you speak to people who're older about this stuff and they're like 'yehhhh i get you but i just cant be bothered THINKING about it'...

when you cant be bothered thinking, whats become of you??
i share similar sentiments, but it's important to recognize the varying types of intelligence. the vast majority of physicists/cosmologists i know are awful farmers / foragers / hunters, so they wouldn't last very long without someone who knows how to find food for them. even modern medical professionals need factories that build their equipment and technology, so some manual laborers/engineers/oil refiners/ would have to be included as well if you want to progress modern medicine.

unless you're talking about pure survival, which in that case all you'd need are, well... survivalists. big strong smart ladies and gentleman who are good with nature.

the thought experiment is kind of like one of those zombie survival games where you have to pick a perfect team, but everyone has their own positives and negatives. those things are much more eloquent on paper though.
yeh i was being cunty, i dont genuinely believe that and im not naive about different types of smarts, im good friends with people who've been privately educated and are now doctors/architects etc. etc. and people who've been prison for kidnapping, got a diverse pool to draw my opinions from is what im saying!

but yeh i take on board your point and agree with it totally

fact is tho, if we're goin by that 10% margin, the top 10% would be well equipped to do that all themselves, we're talking about the top 1% being supermen who would effectively take care of the other 9% who are, effectively supermen to us anyway

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by knell » Mon May 14, 2012 3:31 am

yeah i didn't mean to imply anything about your experience, i was just bringing the point up.

i would actually love to get the theoretical 1% super survivalist men/women and take them into prime natural real estate and see what sort of society would result.

i'm sure in 20 years time we will have AI that can simulate it, at least! :corndance:

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by d-T-r » Mon May 14, 2012 8:52 am

knell wrote:a
the problem with your advice of "googling to do your own research", is that it will lead people into the corners of the internet that they already agree with, and then those sites will confirm those beliefs.
Yeah i remember seeing something on Ted about that. Has a specific name i think, but i can't place it. I guess it's all down to the individual's techniques and determination. I try and hit up a variety of places for my findings, both online and more specialist people i know. if you seek it, you find it. if you don't find it, you find something else just as relevant or more relevant to your current situation/question.


As for the survival stuff,

I think we're out growing survivalist modes of thought both on an individual and collective level. Essentially, we're clever enough to survive and not threaten our own species and planet as much as we do. It wouldn't be so difficult if every single industry hadn't become so monopolized.

When we look at how advanced we ourselves have become, and where we should really be now in terms of civilization and technological advancements, we can see that something is stunting our growth, either directly or indirectly. I think it's a combination of both.

Technology reaches it's singularity and inventively go's omni-directional. (didn't say dimensional but i could of :P ) We're at that point now, the more technology advances, the more we really should be. We should be moving beyond our shoot-em-up themed survival now. We know full well how to survive and co-exist, we just kind of choose not to, or we choose surviving at the polarized expenses of somewhere else's decay and demise. even if we don't make those choices, our inaction is our consent.

Ideally i think a Technocracy would be the one (a form of government in which science would be in control of all decision making, not a fat tekno rig based society, although both could be cool :lol: ) of course this would need to be transparent, which the current £$£$cience paradigm would resist if it was left regulated by them.

And noam as for the 90% comment, i know what you mean but i think people underestimate themselves as far as power in numbers gos. Hence why no one gets involved in the first place.

if you need 51% for a decision to go one way , then even those who aren't directly responsible for the idea still have a part to play if they're helping bringing it out. Same for activism etc sometimes a good idea just needs enough heads behind it which is where we all come in to play. 1 idea from 1 mind heard by millions of people. each person plays an equal part.

when enough people are on the same page at the same time, that's when the collective power to write the next page is self-granted to us.

I see too many percentages flying around all the time. (of course you need them to collect data and act upon but; ) The sooner we look at the entire World and it's entire content as a continual 100%, the sooner we start to address everything and avoid the polarized and dual bias we have.

The more we categorize and subvert, the further away from the core of the problems we go. the further away we go, the more distant we become...which 'luckily' leads people to act in the way they do today, as we try and recreate what ever it is we feel we're not only loosing out on, but what we feel we deserve.

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by alphacat » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:01 pm

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More on Solar Storms and Major Mental Illness

According to NASA, 2013 is shaping up to be quite a year for solar activity. The end of the 11-year solar cycle comes with the promise of coronal mass ejections, solar flares, heat waves, and possibly major mental illness. The connection between solar activity and MMI is not a new concept. There has been growing evidence that solar magnetic storms affect human physiology and pathophysiology. In fact, the idea spawned a branch of biophysics called Heliobiology, pioneered by Russian scientist Alexander Chizhevsky almost 100 years ago.

As a recent Washington Times article noted The Institute of North Industrial Ecology Problems (INEP), an organization founded in 1989 to research ecology in Northern Russia, found:
“From 1949-1997…. geomagnetic activity showed three seasonal peaks each of those years (March to May, in July, and in October). Every peak matched an increased incidence of anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, and suicide in the city Kirovsk.”
Many studies have theorized on the relationship between increased solar activity and it’s effect on melatonin production in the pineal gland of the brain. Melatonin is essential in maintaining circadian rhythm - the 24-hour sleep-wake cycle that is essential to our well-being. Associate Professor Neil Cherry of Lincoln University, New Zealand linked a bump in suicide rates to solar activity, blaming the incidences on a disturbance in the Schumann Resonance Signal – the extremely low frequency portion of the Earth’s electromagnetic field spectrum. In his study, Cherry theorizes:
“The Schumann Resonance signal provides a homeostatic control of brain activity. Therefore increased and decreased Schumann Resonance intensity, produced by increased and decreased solar activity, is shown to produce homeostatic relationships with cancer, cardiac, reproductive and neurological disease and mortality rates, including anxiety, depression and suicide. This study has found significant homeostatic relationships between the monthly mean sunspot number and the suicide rates in Christchurch, New Zealand. An adaptive response appears from high, middle, low and very low solar activity over the 11-year sunspot cycle from 1988 to 1998.”
From March 8-10th 2012, solar storms dumped enough energy into Earth’s atmosphere to power New York City for two years. The storms were expected to cause severe infrastructure damage to our power grids and GPS systems but they turned out to be less severe than expected. Coincidentally (or not) the storms coincided with a start of a Syrian uprising, escalation in violence in the Gaza-Israel conflict (l130 rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza), clashes in Somalia between Al-Shabaab and Ethiopian troops, a grenade attack in Nairobi, Kenya and in the USA, a crazed gunman opening fire at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

Less than 2 weeks ago, during the weekend of July 14-16th intense solar storms rained down on Earth for a period of 36 hours, the effect of which were seen from Colorado to New Zealand. According to NASA, besides a few impressive light shows in the sky, the shaking of Earth’s magnetic field had little effect on our satellites and power grids but the storms were powerful enough to effect compass needles and “prompted electrical currents to flow through the soil at high latitudes.” As the article notes, this is only a taste of what is to come.

Don’t break out your tin foil just yet, according to one study, the best way to protect yourself from harmful solar storms is to produce melanin. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to the beach to get tanned.
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2) Raw deal for white pplz.
3) It is Russian science being cited on disinfo.com we're talking about here, so, um... yeah. :lol:

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by eyeatus » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:30 pm

i've been thinking, 2012 could be the next step in human evolution. maybe someone will find a way to activate their pineal gland and use the other 90% of their brain.

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by Ricky_Spanish » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:27 pm

eyeatus wrote:i've been thinking, 2012 could be the next step in human evolution. maybe someone will find a way to activate their pineal gland and use the other 90% of their brain.
Is that a joke?

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by eyeatus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:25 am

Bringer wrote:
eyeatus wrote:i've been thinking, 2012 could be the next step in human evolution. maybe someone will find a way to activate their pineal gland and use the other 90% of their brain.
Is that a joke?
your perception of the human spectrum is a joke

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by _v_ » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:56 am

so... Solar storms can cause people to lose it and harm themselves or others?

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by parson » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:46 am

robert anton wilson spent at least two chapters of books i've read explaining how carl sagan was a blatant liar and a corporate shill. but believe what you want about his intelligence. you can only see as far as your own.

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by alphacat » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:52 pm

parson wrote:robert anton wilson spent at least two chapters of books i've read explaining how carl sagan was a blatant liar and a corporate shill. but believe what you want about his intelligence. you can only see as far as your own.
My take was that RAW wasn't challenging Sagan's smarts so much as his smug sureness, materialist/reductionist narrow-mindedness, and general spiritual myopia... :6:

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by Ricky_Spanish » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:06 pm

eyeatus wrote:
Bringer wrote:
eyeatus wrote:i've been thinking, 2012 could be the next step in human evolution. maybe someone will find a way to activate their pineal gland and use the other 90% of their brain.
Is that a joke?
your perception of the human spectrum is a joke
wow, you actually belive the falsehood that we only use a small % of the brain. It is a MISCONCEPTION. All of the brain is used. I found that out when i was 16.
Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore. Although there's no definitive culprit to pin the blame on for starting this legend, the notion has been linked to the American psychologist and author William James, who argued in The Energies of Men that "We are making use of only a small part of our possible mental and physical resources." It's also been associated with to Albert Einstein, who supposedly used it to explain his cosmic towering intellect.
Evolution doesn't make things that are only 10% efficient.

What do you mean SPECIFICALLY by the term 'the human spectrum?'

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by d-T-r » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:25 am

The sun recently ;

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More on Electro magnetic feilds and their interaction with our own.

http://www.realitysandwich.com/2012_and ... sciousness
Some years ago I was part of a research team that measured the brain waves of test subjects at regular intervals via EEG. We found that specific electromagnetic fields sporadically acted on the test subjects' brains, without their being aware of this phenomenon. One of our most striking findings was that the test subjects' brain waves could be altered via exposure of the brain to electromagnetic waves; and as if this weren't astonishing enough, we also found that we could even control the test subjects' brain waves using these fields.

For example, the EEG frequency of a test subject with a predominant baseline frequency of 10 hertz could be increased to 12 hertz each time we exposed the subject to an exogenous 10 hertz electromagnetic field that was then increased to 12 hertz. We concluded from this that endogenous rhythms are governed by their exogenous counterparts.

These experiments convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that human cells and electromagnetic fields do in fact interact; and this may in fact be one of the primary reasons why I decided to write this book. These findings also opened my eyes to processes that were of fundamental importance for my own research in that I now had incontrovertible, empirical proof that electromagnetic fields have a direct impact on brain activity.

...In the run-up to 2012, knowledge is and will be the gateway to positive experience. Many people realize that some of their best and most unusual ideas have come to them on days with particularly high solar-geomagnetic activity. This phenomenon has also been scientifically proven by NASA scientists. The cognitive neuroscience researcher Michael Persinger was the first to discover that test subjects exposed to specific magnetic fields suddenly gained extremely spiritual insights. These results are all the more amazing in that even hardened atheists reported experiencing deep religious feelings on being exposed to magnetic fields.

In view of the fact that electromagnetic fields can help a patient identify the cause of their illness, it is well within the realm of possibility that cosmic force fields could enable the entire human race to come to an analogous realization about our planet. We need to bear in mind here that the physical conditions are already in place that would enable each of us to enter and explore our inner worlds so that we can identify the mental baggage we tote around with us and determine what we need to do in order to rid ourselves of it. In short, the conditions for an expansion of consciousness are already in place.
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by knell » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:21 pm

that is absolutely nothing unusual for the sun, if you know even the basics of astronomy.


pretty/scary/cool pictures != science


and "realitysandwich.com" ....really now? d-T-r, you obviously have the mind for this sort of thing, but I implore you to spend equal amounts of time in peer-reviewed journals as you do on these fringe sites.

here are a few i'd recommend checking out, just for starters:
PLOS / plos1
http://prl.aps.org/
http://www.tandfonline.com/
http://www.sciencemag.org/journals


i think you'll be pleasantly surprised... real scientists spend a lot more time arguing with each other trying to get to the bottom of things rather than dwelling on the same disproven conspiracies and circlejerking over Icke and Wilson

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by LACE » Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:44 pm

i'm saying knell. which is why i stay out of this thread.

anybody want to talk celestial mechanics get at me, i'm pretty serious because i've been quite stumped doing some amateur research with my star society here about the planetary system upsilon andromedae. maybe it's the language barrier..but it's got to do with calculating planet-disc interaction..

winter time's coming up so you know what that means.. :corndance:
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