Do you actually buy software?

[nowaysj]

products will continued to be sold until that date, and updates will be available until the end of 2009. Users who wish to crossgrade from the latest version of their Windows product to the Mac counterpart can do so for free by contacting Prosoniq via its contact form.

Bernhard Bouché, CEO at Prosoniq says that the Windows platform, though having a larger market share, has become increasingly unattractive due to the widespread availability of pirated Prosoniq products. "We were, and still are, using a serial number based authorization. We believe that moving from this relatively easy and painless method to a more complicated and error prone way of protecting our products is counter productive. Our past experience with dongled products shows that implementing a dongle based copy protection is prohibitively expensive for add-on products like our plug-ins, and makes selling over the internet problematic", says Bouché. Since Windows product sales in 2008 have been virtually nonexistent Prosoniq has eventually decided to put the focus once again back exclusively on developing Mac products. "Even though we are aware of the danger of being dependent on a single company we are primarily a Mac based company", Bouché says. "Being a small company developing highly specialized products we don't aim for the mass market", he adds. "Our experience shows that 90% of our customers are on a Mac anyway. We believe that by tending to products on one platform only we will be able to make better products and provide better support. Since crossgrading is free we hope to encourage our Windows users to consider using them on a Mac when they are ready".

hahaha and far more. Yeah those devs aren't crying about loosing all their revenue, after spending their entire lives studying and improving their craft, that of making musical instruments, simply because they love music... fuck those guys. Might as well go bang their wives while we're at it.

[deadly_habit]

Slightly different question to the last one because some people are willing to pay money but don't.

if I make money with it I will buy it. but I have bought several plugins that I thought were really worth buying. but now I just think that I'm losing more money producing than making any. so far what I have made from producing is $0.00 and it is probably going to stay like that with the crap tunes I make. So, more pirating for me unfortunately. I would gladly support software that I'm making money from.

guess what i've made money from producing and what i've spent on software and gear alone is wayyy more than i've ever made from edm
get over yourself
if you enjoy it, pay for it
i enjoy djing too and i don't go wahhhh when i go on an international tour i'll pay for my turntables, wax, wavs, mp3s etc
grow up

ffs even the guys who do make a nice amount are always upgrading and investing in new software, upgrades and gear
hell i was going good for you when i saw excision post that he saved up and snagged some barefoot monitors

there is no such thing as easy money in production unless maybe you're doing pop (good luck breaking into that) and all this entitlement crap needs to end

[Ongelegen]

All the pirates here ignored the "theres are plenty of freeware alternatives" argument. Y'all just saw some producer using 'insert vst here (most likely ni massive)' and thought you'll be the next 'insert artist of the month here'. Don't have money? Get freeware, it's right under your nose if you have some basic google skills.

And @ the guy who said he'd gladly pay for software once he's making money from it. It's a hobby, and most hobbies cost you money, and that should be no problem if you really enjoy it. And If you're starting out at a sport for example, you won't go steaing gear cuz you're not a star player yet!

[fragments]

No.

Yes.

It's a legitimate excuse saying I'm 16 and I CAN NOT afford software..

No. It isn't

For one, I don't have crap to sell, in order to pay for the software, I also don't go out and blow money on random crap,

I'm glad you aren't pawning your shit.

I never have money :/ .. I don't even have a Job.

Get one.

Would I buy the Software if I had the money? That's a hard one, I would want to, but greed could keep me from doing it.. Take that how you want.

Only valid argument in the post. Admit you are a greedy and unethical.

To be honest, I don't feel enormously bad about pirating, if I'm not going to buy the Software in the first place, then downloading it doesn't take anything away from the creators, because they wouldn't be getting my money any ways, so they're in the same position. (That sounds very jackass-ish but.. Whatever)

Just because it's not a physical product (unlike say lifting a stereo from a store) it doesn't count as stealing? You are still taking something that is meant to be purchased and using it with out purchasing it.

When I am blessed with Money, and a paying Job.. Then I'd hope to go out and buy the Software, as piracy is still Illegal, and frowned upon .. That's if this turns into anything more than a hobby.

As someone said, hobbies aren't free.

When it comes down to it.. Every one has pirated at least once, and if they haven't, then they may as well hop on the bandwagon, because no one gives two donkey shits any more :l

Obviously people do, that is why we are having this splendid conversation. Also, that is exactly the attitude that got us to this point.

When's the last time you've seen some one locked up for stealing Music? Exactly, it doesn't matter any more, no one gives two shits, because EVERY ONE with a fucking PC and Mums Interwebs, DOES IT!

That doesn't make it ethically right.

I don't consider myself a Thief, I stand by the "Shit's Digital" Act of 1995, which states "If it's Digital crap, it's not stealing"

That sir, is just plain stupidity.

Cheers!

Nope. You are cut off. No more stupid juice for you.

Finally as noted by someone else. With all the powerful freeware you basically have no argument.

[deadly_habit]

http://www.buzzmachines.com/ completely freeware daw and everything you need to get going (not just a restriction free demo) and i know some people who have releases and have made money using this (gasp)

WHAT IS BUZZ?


Its Modular. The true power of Buzz.
Buzz is the first ever "easy to use" free modular software based synthesizer. What this means is that the entire system is based on objects, which may be routed in a modular fashion, giving you the freedom to be as creative as you want. For example, if you wish to run 3 Physical Modelling synths and a Drum Machine through 2 seperate Stereo Delays, into a Mixer, through a Compressor and Parameteric EQ, and finally out to your speakers - no problem. Lay down your synths, connect the wires and you're done. Check out the screenshots below for examples!

Its Expandable. Buzz introduces the concept of a Machine.
A Machine is an object in Buzz which either creates or modifies sound. A Machine is the equivalent of a single piece of gear in a traditional music studio. It may be a synthesizer, a sampler, a dsp effect, a mixing board, or any other piece of gear that exists in a studio. Every piece has the same parameters and functions you would expect to find in the studio you know and love. Whats better is that all existing machines are free. Because creating your own machines is quite simple (someone with little knowledge of C++ should find his way in the SDK), you'll also find machines in Buzz which aren't really common in studio's. This makes Buzz a very innovative software studio.

Its in Real-Time. Buzz moves with you.
Every aspect of Buzz is built to be controlled in real-time. This means that as you tweak the resonance on a virtual analog synth, you hear it's classic sqeualching response immidietly. The same goes for all DSP effects, drum machines, synths, samples, etc.

It's Built for Speed.
Unlike other audio packages which require a super-computer to power a single synth, Buzz has been programmed for speed. It is not at all uncommon to employ 10 completely seperate polyphonic synthesizers, 5 samplers, 2 drum machines, 3 mixers, and 10 DSP effects all simultaniously. Thats on a decent machine. A fast machine could easily triple that. The more complex machines you are using the more CPU power Buzz requires.

Its Portable. A studio in a briefcase.
Imagine having a studio with over 300 pieces of gear. Now imagine fitting it on a laptop and taking it anywhere with you. It sounds like a dream to any Musician, but its completely possible with Buzz. An install size of 8 megs (Stealth Pack, doesn't include all the machines), with a memory requirement of 32 megs. Buzz fits easily onto most decent laptops.

Its Free. Is there anything else to say?
Thats right. $0.00 US! That translates to roughly 0 British Pounds, which translates to 0 Finnish Marks which translates to 0 Euros which translates to 0 Japanese Yen which translates to 0 German Marks which translates to 0 Swedish Kronda which translates to 0 Swiss Francs which translates to 0 Russian Roubles. You can always donate money to Oskari to encourage further development.

Its a Secret Weapon. Its cooler then a lot of other programs out there.
Don't be mistaken. Buzz is not a Soft-Synth. Buzz is not a Tracker. Buzz is not a Sequencer. Buzz is all of these things and more. It is the worlds first true soft-studio. Strike that, free soft-studio.

[FSTZ]

would you steal an actual synth or a drum machine to make beats?

my guess is there are a few people that would

but karma is real

it comes in the form of malicious software waiting to blow up your hard drive and killing your whole project before you get a chance to get your wavs off to mastering

[futures_untold]

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No.

Yes.

Lol

It's a legitimate excuse saying I'm 16 and I CAN NOT afford software..

No it isn't, it's sheeple thinking. Think outside the box or you'll end up doing a 9 - 5 job you hate for the rest of your life... No one really wants that.

For one, I don't have crap to sell, in order to pay for the software, I also don't go out and blow money on random crap,

Learn the art of negotiation. Blag your family & friends to sponsor you to do some events or to do chores. If you see something that's broken or dilipidated, offer to fix it up for the cost of materials + $20 per hour. When they laugh at you, bring down the price to $15 per hour and they'll start to see you're serious about making the deal. They'll offer you $10 per hour, and that's better than minimum wage.

Earning money like that, it won't take many jobs to save the money you need.

True story. When I was 14, I blagged my mum to buy me a hedge trimmer for £95 from B&Q. I drew up a small flyer and photocopied it at my school. I posted the flyer in every house in the entire neighbourhood. From that day forth I had regular cash in hand work trimming hedges and mowing lawns. I repaid my mum her capital investment after my second job. From that point on, the very least I'd earn per job was £30 per pop, sometimes well over £100 for large gardens!

Being such a hard working individual at the time, I spent the whole lot on weed to relax after a hard days work. Now I have nothing to show for my entrepreneurial spirit but shitty DSF forum posts

I never have money :/ .. I don't even have a Job.

Use your creativity my friend and make one!

Good luck!

[VirtualMark]

lol this threads just bashing pirates. i am writing this on a pirated copy of windows, i even have the 'this copy isn't genuine' logo to prove it! thats because i've had 2 broken xbox 360s and sweet fa back from microsoft, the bunch of thieving gits.

as for pirating music software, i really have no excuse. i know its wrong, and i plan to buy the software as some point. i'm new to producing and made the newbie error of downloading every plugin in sight, thinking there was some secret i was missing. i've now spent a lot of time just working on a few plugins that i like, and am thinking of uninstalling everything else.

as for the freeware argument, the freeware isn't as good as the pro software, simple as. i'd rather use cubase as my daw, massive, albino, gladiator, z3ta, zebra, etc as my synths, kontakt as my sampler. these are all used by the pro's, and i'd love to see what professional producer uses freeware.

so yeah, i'm a self confessed pirate bay addict, been doing it for years. have the content producers lost a bit of sales to me? yeah, probably. would i have bought every single film, game, tune or bit of software that i've pirated?? no chance. the waves mercury bundle is thousands and thousands, and you have to pay each year also! lol thats just dumb, its on the pirate bay for free!

to be honest, i think half of you are lying. most people i know download movies and music, and a few software too. when i manage to get good at producing, then i'll probably buy a mac with logic, and buy the plugins that i know i like and are worth the money.

[dubmatters]

Problem is pirating is now the norm. Because the product is not physical and most people don't consider it to be actually stealing the problem only perpetuates it self.

I remember when naptser first came out, my 20 kbit/s connection could only download one song overnight.

Was I concerned about the legalities or moral issues? No.

There is a whole generation of children who have grown up knowing and media or software is easy available for free with no moral or criminal judgement attached.

[paravrais]

seriously, people like you are why this world sucks so hard. honestly, imagine everyone would be like you.
no offense but that attitude is what i hate so much about our generation.

Seconded. None of my mates understand why I have a go at them about ripping music from the net. (Don't even get me started on spotify) But it makes me furious.

I think the thing that annoys me the most about piracy is the attitude the people doing it have. That "I'm better than anyone else so I deserve this for free" Fuck off you lazy stnuc. What makes you think you're so special that you deserve everything for free when other people, good people, pay hundreds of pounds for it. Do I want to be massively out of pocket for picking up a copy of my favourite synth? No. But it's worth it and it's the *right* thing to do. Didn't your parents ever teach you "treat others as you'd like to be treated"?? It's one of the most basic rules children learn. How would you like it if I came over your house and just took whatever I wanted?

If more people thought about others and our society as a whole instead of just themselves we would *all* have a much nicer world to live in.

I don't consider myself a Thief, I stand by the "Shit's Digital" Act of 1995, which states "If it's Digital crap, it's not stealing"

I sincerely hope you get robbed and that it teaches you some fucking respect for the way the world works.

[nowaysj]

No it isn't, it's sheeple thinking.

I don't know if it is genetic or if it's upbringing, but some people just want to be told what to do. Some people are just followers. They follow musical styles (how do I make skrillex), they follow with the tools they use (why does my cracked massive not work), they just follow follow follow, then wonder why their music is not creative.

[deadly_habit]

No it isn't, it's sheeple thinking.

I don't know if it is genetic or if it's upbringing, but some people just want to be told what to do. Some people are just followers. They follow musical styles (how do I make skrillex), they follow with the tools they use (why does my cracked massive not work), they just follow follow follow, then wonder why their music is not creative.

WHY WON'T ANYONE SIGN MY GENERIC DRIVEL!!!

[jrisreal]

If you feel bad about doing it... that is good. That means you are a human capable of experiencing empathy. Something that has been largely removed from our societies.

I absolutely promise you that you can make mind blowing incredible music with freeware. I'd go so far as to say the freeware will help you get there in ways cracks of supersynths will not.

I say that through long experience with electronic music.

Thanks, I plan to start selling beats to make money to pay off for the genuine copies of software like FL and Albino

[slothrop]

as for the freeware argument, the freeware isn't as good as the pro software, simple as. i'd rather use cubase as my daw, massive, albino, gladiator, z3ta, zebra, etc as my synths, kontakt as my sampler. these are all used by the pro's, and i'd love to see what professional producer uses freeware.

Oh, okay, so you're not stealing it because it's the only option, you're stealing it because it's a slightly nicer option. Great.

Guess what? Not many professional guitarists use Squier Strats. And compared to what a professional classical musician pays for an instrument, the Waves Platinum bundle is pocket money stuff. Does that mean that noone can learn the guitar or the violin unless they're loaded to begin with or they steal it? No. They start off with the cheap version that they can afford (even if it isn't the top of the range version that their heroes use) and while they learn their craft they save up until they can afford something a bit classier. Because they're not spoilt brats who want the best of everything now and will steal it if they can't afford it.

Rant over, now to go and post something constructive.

[VirtualMark]

I sincerely hope you get robbed and that it teaches you some fucking respect for the way the world works.

erm... i think thats a bit harsh mate. its basically the modern day equivalent of taping off the radio, i don't think anyone deserves to get robbed for it.

[Pedro Sánchez]

taping off the radio

Only radio play edits and never the full tunes in it's perfect form, you have to buy the record for that, so your analogy doesn't work
but it could be applied to taping radio being the equivalent of a demo version of software, which many developers happily provide you with.

[djbmc]

at least he's being honest, no need to gang up on the guy i can't realistically see anyone buying expensive audio software when they're 16 and working for their dad for free (LOL at that part tho, ur dad is mugging you off mate)

[jrisreal]

at least he's being honest, no need to gang up on the guy i can't realistically see anyone buying expensive audio software when they're 16 and working for their dad for free (LOL at that part tho, ur dad is mugging you off mate)

lol u mixed up two stories man...its all good tho

[-[2]DAY_-]

worth noting that even when you buy it, most software license agreements clearly state, they haven't sold you the software. They sold you the rights to use their software. they packaged it up and delivered it to you but you don't own it. You own a license to use it. cuz obviously a plastic disc and some binary doesn't hold the value, the value is in what it does and knowing what to do with it

as a 16 year old i probably would have had a more rebellious "fuck them corporations" attitude. Then i went to business school where i learned that capitalism isn't evil... I worked hard, graduated, got a good job, worked even harder, and replaced my reason crack with a 100% legit system, and besides the obvious advantages to that (discounts, upgrades, crossgrades, refills, tech support), I'm also very proud of it..... maturation and education can do wonders for one's attitude.

[-[2]DAY_-]

taping off the radio

Only radio play edits and never the full tunes in it's perfect form, you have to buy the record for that, so your analogy doesn't work
but it could be applied to taping radio being the equivalent of a demo version of software, which many developers happily provide you with.

plus you didn't have to pay anything to hear the original broadcast