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wolf89 wrote:

Electric_Head wrote:

overbeb wrote:This is why I hunt. I know exactly where my burger came from. lol.

Which is worse? killing off animals yourself or buying them once they`re dead?
But wait, you do it in a humane manner with a rifle that has a high powered scope.
That`s fair right?

Why not give the deer a fighting chance and let him take a few swings at you first before you blow his face off.

Slaughterhouses are no better than recreational hunters I`m afraid.
It`s your choice, don`t get me wrong.
You ever thought about coming to South Africa and killing a doped up lion?

What? Why not let the animal take a swing? That is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. You want to kill something and eat it. You have an advantage of having a gun. You use it. Why does it have to be an even match?

Surely you've seen bears letting salmon "have the first swing"?

Honestly... sometimes I think people don't realise we're all the fucking same. Us and the animals that is. We get to eat them because we're cleverer and (often) bigger and stronger. That's the world. That's how life works. Shit has to die to let other shit have a life. A virus doesn't ask permission before eating you from the inside until you die, why should you ask permission from a deer?

when animals in the wild hunt they should tie a limb behind their backs in the interests of fair play

I'm of the Werner Herzog school of thought, nature is a million times more brutal than humans could ever aspire to

capo ultra wrote:I'm of the Werner Herzog school of thought, nature is a million times more brutal than humans could ever aspire to

we can dream.

magma wrote:

wolf89 wrote:

Electric_Head wrote:

overbeb wrote:This is why I hunt. I know exactly where my burger came from. lol.

Which is worse? killing off animals yourself or buying them once they`re dead?
But wait, you do it in a humane manner with a rifle that has a high powered scope.
That`s fair right?

Why not give the deer a fighting chance and let him take a few swings at you first before you blow his face off.

Slaughterhouses are no better than recreational hunters I`m afraid.
It`s your choice, don`t get me wrong.
You ever thought about coming to South Africa and killing a doped up lion?

What? Why not let the animal take a swing? That is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. You want to kill something and eat it. You have an advantage of having a gun. You use it. Why does it have to be an even match?

Surely you've seen bears letting salmon "have the first swing"?

Honestly... sometimes I think people don't realise we're all the fucking same. Us and the animals that is. We get to eat them because we're cleverer and (often) bigger and stronger. That's the world. That's how life works. Shit has to die to let other shit have a life. A virus doesn't ask permission before eating you from the inside until you die, why should you ask permission from a deer?

Exactly.

Wish I never came across this thread. Surely it's not like that in most of the UK? Someone please tell me it's not!

Filthzilla wrote:Wish I never came across this thread. Surely it's not like that in most of the UK? Someone please tell me it's not!

outside the cities it's mostly green pastures and feudalism still reigns supreme in the provinces.

some canny dry wit coming from this soul dead chap. Good work

Bullshit IMO. People know animals die so we can eat them. If that's not bad enough, we then put them in fire.

To me, this is like trying to say "If prisons had glass walls, people wouldn't commit crimes". People commit crimes because they're illegal. We eat meat because we're omnivores.

magma wrote:

wolf89 wrote:

Electric_Head wrote:

overbeb wrote:This is why I hunt. I know exactly where my burger came from. lol.

Which is worse? killing off animals yourself or buying them once they`re dead?
But wait, you do it in a humane manner with a rifle that has a high powered scope.
That`s fair right?

Why not give the deer a fighting chance and let him take a few swings at you first before you blow his face off.

Slaughterhouses are no better than recreational hunters I`m afraid.
It`s your choice, don`t get me wrong.
You ever thought about coming to South Africa and killing a doped up lion?

What? Why not let the animal take a swing? That is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. You want to kill something and eat it. You have an advantage of having a gun. You use it. Why does it have to be an even match?

Surely you've seen bears letting salmon "have the first swing"?

Honestly... sometimes I think people don't realise we're all the fucking same. Us and the animals that is. We get to eat them because we're cleverer and (often) bigger and stronger. That's the world. That's how life works. Shit has to die to let other shit have a life. A virus doesn't ask permission before eating you from the inside until you die, why should you ask permission from a deer?

confusing 'i can' with 'i should'

you dont have to ask permission before you take someone's handbag, but you should...

claiming we're the same as animals in terms of society/intellect/responsibility is totally negating our responsibility as humans to act in a good way

a virus doesn't ask permission because its a virus...

we should act in a correct manner when taking our food because we can and we should

a free-for-all based on the idea that we're all 'the same' and 'stuff has to die' belittles our role as top dog dont you think?

people snap eachothers necks all the time in movies lol

noam wrote:confusing 'i can' with 'i should'

you dont have to ask permission before you take someone's handbag, but you should...

claiming we're the same as animals in terms of society/intellect/responsibility is totally negating our responsibility as humans to act in a good way

a virus doesn't ask permission because its a virus...

we should act in a correct manner when taking our food because we can and we should

a free-for-all based on the idea that we're all 'the same' and 'stuff has to die' belittles our role as top dog dont you think?

I understand why I shouldn't kill and rob humans. They're my kin. Our society suffers if we all act like dicks.

I don't feel much responsibility to other life forms, especially ones that are vastly less intelligent and civilised like the ones we share our planet with... other than trying to be as humane as possible (mainly to save my own feelings to be honest, humans are cursed as well as blessed with empathy... a lion doesn't feel sorry for its prey) and making sure they don't go extinct (because I want to keep looking at them and eating them).

I also feel bad when I see them wasting away in the wild... on the few occasions when I've see a struggling animal, I've have to finish it off so I'm not thinking about it suffering... and then I wonder if it would've been better for everyone involved it to have been picked off by a predator before it got so sick (it gets quick death, animal gets food). Farm animals rarely have to die of long, dibilitating illnesses or starvation - wild animals do all the time... the wild is utter, utter shit... we're so lucky to be rid of it thanks to our farming ancestors.

Although no other animal is able to assess the morality of eating another life, they are equally unable to sit back and marvel at the glory of the world, decide to protect it or even contemplate the balance of nature... animals don't live in some sacred natural harmony, as hippies would have you believe... in fact, they're far less considerate than the average human. We're incredibly nice compared to almost everything else on the planet because of our empathetic brains (it allows us to be cruel too, but not as often)... nothing else even thinks about considering these things... we tear ourselves apart over them!

We're glorious. Stop being mean to us.

magma wrote:

noam wrote:confusing 'i can' with 'i should'

you dont have to ask permission before you take someone's handbag, but you should...

claiming we're the same as animals in terms of society/intellect/responsibility is totally negating our responsibility as humans to act in a good way

a virus doesn't ask permission because its a virus...

we should act in a correct manner when taking our food because we can and we should

a free-for-all based on the idea that we're all 'the same' and 'stuff has to die' belittles our role as top dog dont you think?

I understand why I shouldn't kill and rob humans. They're my kin. Our society suffers if we all act like dicks.

I don't feel much responsibility to other life forms, especially ones that are vastly less intelligent and civilised like the ones we share our planet with... other than trying to be as humane as possible (mainly to save my own feelings to be honest, humans are cursed as well as blessed with empathy... a lion doesn't feel sorry for its prey) and making sure they don't go extinct (because I want to keep looking at them and eating them).

I also feel bad when I see them wasting away in the wild... on the few occasions when I've see a struggling animal, I've have to finish it off so I'm not thinking about it suffering... and then I wonder if it would've been better for everyone involved it to have been picked off by a predator before it got so sick (it gets quick death, animal gets food). Farm animals rarely have to die of long, dibilitating illnesses or starvation - wild animals do all the time... the wild is utter, utter shit... we're so lucky to be rid of it thanks to our farming ancestors.

Although no other animal is able to assess the morality of eating another life, they are equally unable to sit back and marvel at the glory of the world, decide to protect it or even contemplate the balance of nature... animals don't live in some sacred natural harmony, as hippies would have you believe... in fact, they're far less considerate than the average human. We're incredibly nice compared to almost everything else on the planet because of our empathetic brains (it allows us to be cruel too, but not as often)... nothing else even thinks about considering these things... we tear ourselves apart over them!

We're glorious. Stop being mean to us.

Yeah I don't get all this morality shit. We're animals too. And if we hadn't developed civilization and gradually dominated the earth, they'd sure as hell be eating us

we would put weed in some meat and give it to them then they woulnt fight they would evolve or something. a talking tiger

magma wrote:
Although no other animal is able to assess the morality of eating another life, they are equally unable to sit back and marvel at the glory of the world, decide to protect it or even contemplate the balance of nature... animals don't live in some sacred natural harmony, as hippies would have you believe... in fact, they're far less considerate than the average human. We're incredibly nice compared to almost everything else on the planet because of our empathetic brains (it allows us to be cruel too, but not as often)... nothing else even thinks about considering these things... we tear ourselves apart over them!

i agree with a lot of what you're saying

but applying human values like morality to how animals behave is pointless, you dont understand their psyche

all you can do is consider how you behave and judge according to your own values

unfortunately humans have developed moral systems, which include how WE treat animals, not how animals treat each other

referring to their behaviour regarding each other doesn't give license for us to discount our own value-systems in favour of copying what we assume to be their value-systems

im a massive meat-eater btw, but i believe animals should be given rights and proper treatment because we are able to provide that

soz to buzzkill

I'll not have civilised argument on DSF thankyou very much

someone accuse someone of being a izan or listening to Skrillex or GTFO

noam wrote:

magma wrote:
Although no other animal is able to assess the morality of eating another life, they are equally unable to sit back and marvel at the glory of the world, decide to protect it or even contemplate the balance of nature... animals don't live in some sacred natural harmony, as hippies would have you believe... in fact, they're far less considerate than the average human. We're incredibly nice compared to almost everything else on the planet because of our empathetic brains (it allows us to be cruel too, but not as often)... nothing else even thinks about considering these things... we tear ourselves apart over them!

i agree with a lot of what you're saying

but applying human values like morality to how animals behave is pointless, you dont understand their psyche

To be fair neither do you. And you say their as if they're identical copies of eachother. All animals are individuals and have their own working brains etc.

The fact is, nature works this way. He who dominates isn't made prey. I'd rather me over a fucking chicken.

magma wrote: I don't feel much responsibility to other life forms, especially ones that are vastly less intelligent and civilised like the ones we share our planet with... other than trying to be as humane as possible (mainly to save my own feelings to be honest, humans are cursed as well as blessed with empathy... a lion doesn't feel sorry for its prey) and making sure they don't go extinct (because I want to keep looking at them and eating them).

Well I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree then, cus I do feel responsibility.

On another note, how about vegetarianism for sustainability? I've heard many times that the oceans will be empty by 2050 if we continue fishing the way we do. So even if you don't care about the animals, surely you should stop eating fish (at least) for the planet? The earth is a delicate system and to mass produce/farm animals the way we do has surely got to have some effect on this balance. I'm not talking about eating meat in general here, I'm specifically referring to mass market meat.

lol

Kochari wrote:

magma wrote: I don't feel much responsibility to other life forms, especially ones that are vastly less intelligent and civilised like the ones we share our planet with... other than trying to be as humane as possible (mainly to save my own feelings to be honest, humans are cursed as well as blessed with empathy... a lion doesn't feel sorry for its prey) and making sure they don't go extinct (because I want to keep looking at them and eating them).

Well I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree then, cus I do feel responsibility.

On another note, how about vegetarianism for sustainability? I've heard many times that the oceans will be empty by 2050 if we continue fishing the way we do. So even if you don't care about the animals, surely you should stop eating fish (at least) for the planet? The earth is a delicate system and to mass produce/farm animals the way we do has surely got to have some effect on this balance. I'm not talking about eating meat in general here, I'm specifically referring to mass market meat.

Fish is shit anyway. Eat fuck all of the stuff