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svpreme wrote:

Phigure wrote: do you guys think he acted alone? i don't...

I don't know enough about the actual specifics of the attack to have an informed opinion about that, but didn't he make reference to being part of a new Order of the Knights Templar or some shit? I hope it isn't the start of a series of attacks by them or something.

Even if other people didn't actually help out, I'm sure there were people who knew about it beforehand and likely provided support in some way, even if it wasn't by necessarily physically being there to help.

yeah I read about that Knights Templar stuff... the fucking nut titled himself as "Knight Justicar Anders Breivik". I'm not sure if that group was just people who only felt similarly, or if it was a group that was radical and crazy enough to act on it. it's also speculated he has ties to the English Defense League.

I think it's likely that there were co-conspirators, but I think they've covered their tracks and it will be pinned on him just alone... unless there's more attacks to follow.

he bought 6 tons of fertilizer (most likely ammonium nitrate) which should have set off some flags, but it was looked over since he owns/claims to own a farm. although, even if they called the authorities on him, he might have still gotten away with it, since, let's just be honest, no one expected a guy like him to do it.

LA_Boxers wrote:Surely they will have the bombing and the shooting as seperate charges so at a minimum they will be able to give him 42 years?

I really just hope certain people dont see him as some sort of god and read his ''manifesto'' and try and continue his ''work''. I'm really glad certain newspaper and television channels have got the current news in the correct order though. As sad as Amy Winehouse's death may be, this is definitley a more news worthy story.

maybe they could also be able to get him for 90+ counts of murder? or is that included in the terrorism charge and not prosecutable twice?

i'm nearly positive they'll get him a life+ sentence



another aspect that will have some interesting implications is that he's a right wing christian. is this a threat to keep an eye on? i think it's gonna show some of the more close minded folks, who have been giving the arab/muslim world shit, that atrocities like this are just as possible to be committed by "their own" (by which i mean caucasians, conservatives, and/or christians, and so on). it's funny how the media immediately wanted to point the finger at Al-Qaeda and Muslim extremists, and also how this event has been referred to as extremism almost more than terrorism, as if something like this is only terrorism when it's a muslim and/or arab.

I should hope he gets a life sentence.
Change the world another way.

Apparantly hes just turned up in court. theres gonna be alot of angry people trying to get to him i would have thought...

Apparently he tried to start a European Tea Party movement?

I hate to laugh considering the nature of this, but that's just hilarious.

Some interesting points from Charlie Brooker http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... s-killings

Yeah I was in a pub, and caught some of it on the TVs in there. It was on mute and had subtitles up. I may not be the most well read person or read any decent newspapers that indepthly, however even i thought it didnt really sound very Al-Qaeda esq. They would usually go for higher profile targets, not use the type of bomb used or not immediatley claim responsibility.

If any of the news outlets actually had some kind of substantial confirmation of who had done it then yes report that, but they didnt. Isnt the news just that? Stuff that has happened, not stuff that potentially could have happened?

what's even worse than the complete guesswork is the anti-islamic sentiment shown in the use of "terrorism", and somehow still blaming muslims even after it was made clear it was nothing to do with them

this story was disgusting:

Terrorism specialists said that even if the authorities ultimately ruled out terrorism as the cause of Friday's assaults, other kinds of groups or individuals were mimicking al-Qaida's signature brutality and multiple attacks.

"If it does turn out to be someone with more political motivations, it shows these groups are learning from what they see from al-Qaida," said Brian Fishman, a counterterrorism researcher at the New America Foundation in Washington. "One lesson I take away from this is that attacks, especially in the West, are going to move to automatic weapons."

do they even know what terrorism is? the whole idea of terrorism is that it's people with "more political motivation" who are using terror to get their way. would the IRA be called "extremists" and not "terrorists" if they started a campaign today?

If anyone's in doubt, there's a thing called "Forvaring" in Norwegian, which can basically be used to extend his stay prison with further 21 years after the initial 21 years, and this could potentially go on until he dies in prison, which I believe will be the case.

on a side note: 2 sizan tried to burn down a house occupied by mostly sinti/roma last night, this hasn't happened in quite some time now and i'm fairly certain they felt inspired by the oslo incident. i've already heard from a guy who lives in eastern germany that some of his coworkers talked about some kind of new crusade that should happen or something like that. now i know that's just some dickhead sizan talking about their weird fantasies but it's horrible how some people react to this...

i'm not the kind of person to say such things but i think it would be best to try and keep that manifesto away from the public, especially to not let that breivik guy feel like his attacks were some kind of success

badger wrote: do they even know what terrorism is? the whole idea of terrorism is that it's people with "more political motivation" who are using terror to get their way. would the IRA be called "extremists" and not "terrorists" if they started a campaign today?

dissidents seem to be the one for them.


a word for every creed

terrorists are only people who don't have christian/catholic ideals behind their "causes"

mawltea wrote:If anyone's in doubt, there's a thing called "Forvaring" in Norwegian, which can basically be used to extend his stay prison with further 21 years after the initial 21 years, and this could potentially go on until he dies in prison, which I believe will be the case.

That's good to know. Do you guys do the whole solitary confinement thing there? I think it would be a fitting and torturous punishment for someone like him.

some utter cretin I know is always harping on about how islam is evil and christianity promotes peace

after this horrible incident occurred and I asked them if they have changed their mind, yet of course no, this was just an isolated incident where one man was sent by the devil to give christianity a bad name whereas guys who off the rails citing islam represent their whole religion

makes me sick knowing people like this exist, wilful ignorance is astounding

hasezwei wrote:on a side note: 2 sizan tried to burn down a house occupied by mostly sinti/roma last night, this hasn't happened in quite some time now and i'm fairly certain they felt inspired by the oslo incident. i've already heard from a guy who lives in eastern germany that some of his coworkers talked about some kind of new crusade that should happen or something like that. now i know that's just some dickhead sizan talking about their weird fantasies but it's horrible how some people react to this...

i'm not the kind of person to say such things but i think it would be best to try and keep that manifesto away from the public, especially to not let that breivik guy feel like his attacks were some kind of success

Trying to keep stuff like this away from people has never worked. People will get their hands on it somehow, and take it as a triumph against society and big brother, whether they ultimately agree with the manifesto or not. Some might become even more inclined to believe in it.

borrowed wrote:Why do you guys give a shit about what is in his manifesto? Are you implying anything that this fuckin guy says is worth reading?

"know your enemy" - sun tzu

AllNightDayDream wrote:

borrowed wrote:Why do you guys give a shit about what is in his manifesto? Are you implying anything that this fuckin guy says is worth reading?

"know your enemy" - sun tzu

1. You haven't read the Art of War
2. That has absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand
3. Some random lunatic isn't "the enemy"

curiosity is natural and rational

nothing is learned by ignoring possible sources of information

and dont reply with some shit like 'what could you learn from him?!', you know as well as i do that there's LOTS of useful information for people in a wide variety of fields contained in that manuscript...

there'll be a lot of dross too, dont get me wrong

borrowed wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

borrowed wrote:Why do you guys give a shit about what is in his manifesto? Are you implying anything that this fuckin guy says is worth reading?

"know your enemy" - sun tzu

1. You haven't read the Art of War
2. That has absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand
3. Some random lunatic isn't "the enemy"

This guy isn't some isolated lunatic. His kind of xenophobia is something that is growing, becoming more radicalized, and even pandered to in politics. Trying to put a taboo on it, like with most things, just makes it that more appealing. For the same reason Marx spent his whole life studying capitalism, the end goal is to correct it. To understand better what drives people to acts like this makes it easier to see this kind of thing coming, and what we may need to focus on as a society. Namely in this case, easing the influx of sometimes staunch Muslims into western society so we can accommodate to everyone's way of life.

noam wrote:curiosity is natural and rational

nothing is learned by ignoring possible sources of information

and dont reply with some shit like 'what could you learn from him?!', you know as well as i do that there's LOTS of useful information for people in a wide variety of fields contained in that manuscript...

there'll be a lot of dross too, dont get me wrong

I would agree with you if the person was a sane, thinking person and his writing was based on actual facts. The ramblings of some spree shooter aren't exactly cohesive or based in reality.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

borrowed wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

borrowed wrote:Why do you guys give a shit about what is in his manifesto? Are you implying anything that this fuckin guy says is worth reading?

"know your enemy" - sun tzu

1. You haven't read the Art of War
2. That has absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand
3. Some random lunatic isn't "the enemy"

This guy isn't some isolated lunatic. His kind of xenophobia is something that is growing, becoming more radicalized, and even pandered to in politics. Trying to put a taboo on it, like with most things, just makes it that more appealing. For the same reason Marx spent his whole life studying capitalism, the end goal is to correct it. To understand better what drives people to acts like this makes it easier to see this kind of thing coming, and what we may need to focus on as a society. Namely in this case, easing the influx of sometimes staunch Muslims into western society so we can accommodate to everyone's way of life.

Orrrr he's of his rocker and picked this issue, for whatever reason, to neurotically focus himself on.