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murky21 wrote:Another record shop announces closure today so I hope all you stnuc stealing any independent music at all recognise that you have in some way contributed. Waste. If you can't afford it you can't fucking have it can you

Use some logic, please. iTunes is the reason record shops are closing. Piracy has nothing to do with it.

seckle wrote:Pathetic attitudes in this thread. People doing anything to justify their hard drives.

Such a close minded attitude you have. Anything to justify you're condescending (and ill informed) high horse.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

murky21 wrote:Another record shop announces closure today so I hope all you stnuc stealing any independent music at all recognise that you have in some way contributed. Waste. If you can't afford it you can't fucking have it can you

Use some logic, please. iTunes is the reason record shops are closing. Piracy has nothing to do with it.

i think it says contributed rather than its the only reason, not sure how you'd qualify it having nothing to do with it

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

murky21 wrote:Another record shop announces closure today so I hope all you stnuc stealing any independent music at all recognise that you have in some way contributed. Waste. If you can't afford it you can't fucking have it can you

Use some logic, please. iTunes is the reason record shops are closing. Piracy has nothing to do with it.

i think it says contributed rather than its the only reason, not sure how you'd qualify it having nothing to do with it

Because it has nothing to do with it. Piracy is a symptom of the trend. Before the MP3 people still copied and bootlegged CDs, tapes, etc.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

murky21 wrote:Another record shop announces closure today so I hope all you stnuc stealing any independent music at all recognise that you have in some way contributed. Waste. If you can't afford it you can't fucking have it can you

Use some logic, please. iTunes is the reason record shops are closing. Piracy has nothing to do with it.

i think it says contributed rather than its the only reason, not sure how you'd qualify it having nothing to do with it

Because it has nothing to do with it. Piracy is a symptom of the trend. Before the MP3 people still copied and bootlegged CDs, tapes, etc.

i can't be bothered with you you're just a troll with a circular argument that doesnt hold up but your blinkers do a fine job

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

murky21 wrote:Another record shop announces closure today so I hope all you stnuc stealing any independent music at all recognise that you have in some way contributed. Waste. If you can't afford it you can't fucking have it can you

Use some logic, please. iTunes is the reason record shops are closing. Piracy has nothing to do with it.

i think it says contributed rather than its the only reason, not sure how you'd qualify it having nothing to do with it

Because it has nothing to do with it. Piracy is a symptom of the trend. Before the MP3 people still copied and bootlegged CDs, tapes, etc.

i can't be bothered with you you're just a troll with a circular argument that doesnt hold up but your blinkers do a fine job

Ok, sure. Unlike the vocal hipsters on this site that like to impose their ego on others, I actually researched the subject and can argue points other than "well its wrong, it's stealing, end of", and that is trolling? do you know what trolling is?

it is now officially hipster to condemn theft

its so true the other day i saw some neon coloured glowstick holding flat cap sporting guy called tarqwin telling all his friends about how stealing music is wrong

Pistonsbeneath wrote:it is now officially hipster to condemn theft

yea, i couldnt believe he said that either...

hipster is more than a fashion

AllNightDayDream wrote:hipster is more than a fashion

your more than a thief

AllNightDayDream wrote:hipster is more than a fashion

its a fashion that believes theft is wrong

clifford_- wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:hipster is more than a fashion

your more than a thief

If I was taken to court and charged for downloading copyrighted material, you know what the charge would be called?

Not theft.

I don't even pirate music anymore. But the condescension of many of your attitudes towards anyone who thinks different reeks of ass, even more so when someone can actually make an argument through logos.

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:hipster is more than a fashion

its a fashion that believes theft is wrong

More so a fashion that values underground credibility more than anything, including rationality.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:hipster is more than a fashion

its a fashion that believes theft is wrong

More so a fashion that values underground credibility more than anything, including rationality.

its an underground mentality one that condemns theft

my mum is very underground

she thinks this man took money out of her wallet that she had over once

very underground and hipster my mum

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:hipster is more than a fashion

its a fashion that believes theft is wrong

More so a fashion that values underground credibility more than anything, including rationality.

its an underground mentality one that condemns theft

my mum is very underground

she thinks this man took money out of her wallet that she had over once

very underground and hipster my mum

I didn't expect a much better counterargument, tbh.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:hipster is more than a fashion

its a fashion that believes theft is wrong

More so a fashion that values underground credibility more than anything, including rationality.

its an underground mentality one that condemns theft

my mum is very underground

she thinks this man took money out of her wallet that she had over once

very underground and hipster my mum

I didn't expect a much better counterargument, tbh.

more effort on my part would be wasted on you

its been done and done on here and youre always involved

the things you say are ridiculous and i suspect just after a reaction but really they are ridiculed and rightly so

But he's got some interesting points, eg: "Before the MP3 people still copied and bootlegged CDs, tapes, etc."

Thats at least worth discussing right?

EDIT: I had a small release and loads of people pirated it, I don't really care, I knew I wasn't going to make any money anyway and I make music so people can hear it

AllNightDayDream wrote:

murky21 wrote:Another record shop announces closure today so I hope all you stnuc stealing any independent music at all recognise that you have in some way contributed. Waste. If you can't afford it you can't fucking have it can you

Use some logic, please. iTunes is the reason record shops are closing. Piracy has nothing to do with it.

Obtain track or album for free through pirating >>>> As a result don't bother buying said track or album on CD/ Vinyl because you already have a digi copy.
= A contributing factor to the closure of record shops, as I said.

If you make the stupid, empirically false assumption that a pirate would've bought a track if he couldn't download it, consumer preference as it is today would make the chances of him buying a digital single (More pirated than albums) very likely, record store still sees no money.

But even that is pointless, because pirates wouldn't/couldn't have bought even a significant chunk of any pirated music had they not been able to pirate it.

Kochari wrote:But he's got some interesting points, eg: "Before the MP3 people still copied and bootlegged CDs, tapes, etc

yeah thats a totally new point never ever brought up before hes a genius

i think thats wrong too but it didnt have the same impact as it wasnt so widespread obviously

and its not about the money kochari its the principle, its not about the barons keeping their cash but about people being paid fairly