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"original human blueprint" ... haven't dey heard of evolution?

Bringer wrote:

apmje wrote:Reality is whatever you want to make it.

but I think this pov is just as lazy as dumping all your belief in a particular religion.

Believing you hold full responsibility for your own reality is lazy?

d-T-r wrote:

Bringer wrote:The words of quantum mysticism are rather like sub-atomic particles: the closer you analyze them the less substance there is.

Geometry isn't mysticism at all . it's just the initial process of energy transforming into matter. symmetrical /polarized physics.

fabricated mysticism might be a byproduct of interpretation, but science is mystical to begin with. myst...ery.

if the closer you analyze, the less substance you notice, that's just an example of the influence of the observer. or at least an example of our tendency to see the void as 'empty'.

Killamike49 wrote:

daeMTHAFKNkim wrote:haha this is one of the most interesting views on what we are. bacteria on a lifehost(earth) destroying earth.

Joe Rogan is hilarious. god damn stoner.



@OP: We could be a science project for all that we know growing in a glass container in some random classroom. Think about it....we are actually microscopic. And the cells in our body could be universes on their own...and shit inside the cells living also. Shits wack.

The other night when i was tripping on acid, my friend had a picture of the universe on his phone, with the cosmic dust connecting different stars making them look like cells. Needless to say, it sparked more than a few trippy thoughts. Also, when i was tripping i was thinking about something. The greatest strength of humans is the power to aspire/dream/want whatever you want to call it, and tv and such replaces that for alot of people. Think about it, if you told people that we would be content to barely scrape by and never aspire to be better, and instead we would spend our time barely scraping by spending our money on television, games, and other 'fake' things, while the upper crust manipulates most things and gets even more wealthy, people would think it sounded like some kind of dystopian story. Right? Gotta love acid.

Totally. Modern capitalist culture replaces nearly every single human desire and trait into a mass produced marketable product, and therefore robs it of its own development. Why ponder about your own existence when TV has created a couple glamorous existences for you? Need to silence all the voices in your head? There's a few pills for that. Want sex? Buy yourself into a sleazy club, subscribe to this porn website, or call this hotline, $4 a minute. Want to be cool and have friends? Buy the clothes they wear. Want to help starving children in africa? Buy coffee at starbucks! 5 cents of every dollar goes to some country you've never heard of to be used to feed children. I've been straying away from radical anti-capitalist sentiments recently but there's a lot of truth that our industrial societies rob us of the struggle of our own human desires, and replace what little consciousness we have with simple ready-made ideologies and modes of existence, leaving us to be dominated by our subconscious.

Geometry isn't mysticism at all . it's just the initial process of energy transforming into matter. symmetrical /polarized physics.

The design and progression of the pieces of sacred geometry used in the Template ceremonies are resonant with the various aspects of the holonomic agreement that lies at the heart of the Human masterpiece. As this agreement is awakened through frequency resonance with the alchemical ceremonial code, the circuits are reinstated
http://www.thetemplateorg.com/geometry.html (where you got all this from, I couldn't find a single equation anywhere on the site btw)

Human Masterpiece???? We are natures first stab at conscious beings. 100 triilion years from now you can talk about masterpieces. Also, the idea that we use only a small % of the brain is without foundation.


ALTERNATIVELY:

garret Lisi has proposed a new unifying geometrical 8 dimensional shape with a mathematical framework:

E8 is the largest exceptional group. Much information can be obtained
from its Lie algebra e8 which has the following root decomposition:
e8= X−α120⊕ ··· ⊕ X−α1⊕ h ⊕ Xα1⊕ ··· ⊕ Xα120
where h is maximal Abelian subalgebra of dimension 8 and each Xα±iis a
one-dimensional space contributed by the root α±ia linear map from h to
the set of complex numbers C. ( 240 roots)
Hence the dimension of E8is (by definition) that of e8which is 248.
In Lisi’s theory each root corresponds to one elementary particle. There are
222 known elementary particles and therefore 18 would be left to discover!!

so, my contention is:

mysticism = words - http://www.thetemplateorg.com/geometry.html



science = equations - http://www.math.umb.edu/~anoel/publicat ... 072608.pdf

if the closer you analyze, the less substance you notice, that's just an example of the influence of the observer. or at least an example of our tendency to see the void as 'empty'.[/

I think most people realise that the 'void' is a seething mass of particle/anti particle annihilations and that there is there is no such thing as nothing. But what I meant in my original statement was that the closer you look at an object, the less 'stuff' or 'thingness' there is until there are only eigen-values in a wave equation.

Anyway, what do you define as an observer?

Maybe I'm wrong but i suspect you believe that reality is human or other bio-lifeform observer created. I have a problem with this.

I must admit though, I do love the idea of a universe where everything we see and experience are just pertubations in a unified field of consciousness. But I think conscious observation is only a small subset in a mainly non-consciously observed (particle interactions) universe.

To quote someone much more knowledgeable than me:

1) Reality is rooted in vagueness rather than crispness. Before there is the actual, there has to be the merely possible. A term like uncertainty implies hidden variables - the crisp states exist "down there", but we just haven't been able to measure them yet. The idea of indeterminancy, or better yet vagueness, says certainty is what we are creating.

2) "Observation" is needed to shape vague possibilities into crisply-taken actualities. But observation is nothing to do with consciousness as such, it is just about a tightening net of global constraints. The universe is a generalised observer in that it encodes (informationally, as a collection of particular histories, particular events) a generalised global state of constraint. There is a prevailing history into which anything new must fit. Humans then step on to this already created stage of dynamic constraint and can fiddle around in ways that change the prevailing balance. We can distort what the universe is doing in ways that give a glimpse of the more fundamental vague potential from which all things arise.

apeiron

So..

Jews are geometrists? Or whatever the noun is.

I wasn't speaking on behalf of the people who run the template asides from agreeing with a lot of what was said in the video posted. Was just speaking on the fact that geometry, and polarity are inherent qualities in the emergence of matter from energy and that these geometric patterns/rules present themselves from the micro to the macro and thus ourselves.

it's completely your choice whether you view yourself or humanity as a masterpiece or just a slab of consciousness.

i don't think reality is human created either. Awareness of reality and consciousness , is though. The universe has a native language --our languages at best only reference a micro percentage of it. Geometry , universal polarization and understanding of torus energy field is one of the closest routes we're on to figuring out.

star tetrahedron's definitely posses some /all of the clues leading to the unified field.

will most likely post more about this in more in depth in the future anyway so stay tuned + look as well

life is but a dream... within a dream


( from a dave wallace tune on moving shadow circa mid 90's )

mysticism is based on the experimental method. about direct experience. if you think that is different from science, you're incredibly intellectually challenged.

I came here to drink milk and kick ass...


And I just finished my milk.

parson wrote:mysticism is based on the experimental method. about direct experience. if you think that is different from science, you're incredibly intellectually challenged.

stop talking nonsense.

stop talking about topics that you know NOTHING about. it reveals the walls of your prison that keep you stupid.

http://inception.davepedu.com/

parson wrote:stop talking about topics that you know NOTHING about. it reveals the walls of your prison that keep you stupid.

How long have you been a moron?

parson wrote:mysticism is based on the experimental method. about direct experience. if you think that is different from science, you're incredibly intellectually challenged.

lulz, stop trying to defend mysticsm, it's is not a good thing. The first thing that that guy in that kaballah video did was to distance it from mysticsm.

Let me guess: you've had some kind of 'experience' in your tiny little monkey brain and you think you know everything? w/e right, lets load up on the salami.

though as an honest reply i think reality is simply what you perceive and that's it, there's no one pulling the strings or whatever. just existence, and our perceptions that define it. after all, i think of us as just organic objects governed by the same 'laws' as everything else is, a complex bacteria clinging to a speck of dirt suspended in nothing...no deeper meaning to me, and i'm fine with that i suppose

Bringer wrote:

parson wrote:mysticism is based on the experimental method. about direct experience. if you think that is different from science, you're incredibly intellectually challenged.

lulz, stop trying to defend mysticsm, it's is not a good thing. The first thing that that guy in that kaballah video did was to distance it from mysticsm.

Let me guess: you've had some kind of 'experience' in your tiny little monkey brain and you think you know everything? w/e right, lets load up on the salami.

Attacking mysticism and telling someone to stop defending it...hmm

Why do you feel the need to attack it? Why isn't it a 'good' thing? Does it pose a threat to you or to modes of thought? If it doesn't pose a threat, then why get so touchy about it?

"The truth needs no defense"

Bringer, I personally think you know more than you currently believe you do ,or believe you can know. Same goes for all of us

Don't undervalue your existence in favor of hard headed Rationalism. We don't live a very rational existence to begin with.

This doesnt mean accept and believe everything, it just means that becoming open to possibilities, will allow the space for possibilities to present themselves.

The more we define what we 'know' and shy away from what we don't, the less of the unknown we're allowing back into the known. hence -mystery/mystical

@Bringer. Is this your first account?

d-T-r wrote:

Bringer wrote:

parson wrote:mysticism is based on the experimental method. about direct experience. if you think that is different from science, you're incredibly intellectually challenged.

lulz, stop trying to defend mysticsm, it's is not a good thing. The first thing that that guy in that kaballah video did was to distance it from mysticsm.

Let me guess: you've had some kind of 'experience' in your tiny little monkey brain and you think you know everything? w/e right, lets load up on the salami.

Attacking mysticism and telling someone to stop defending it...hmm

Why do you feel the need to attack it? Why isn't it a 'good' thing? Does it pose a threat to you or to modes of thought? If it doesn't pose a threat, then why get so touchy about it?

"The truth needs no defense"

Bringer, I personally think you know more than you currently believe you do ,or believe you can know. Same goes for all of us

Don't undervalue your existence in favor of hard headed Rationalism. We don't live a very rational existence to begin with.

This doesnt mean accept and believe everything, it just means that becoming open to possibilities, will allow the space for possibilities to present themselves.

The more we define what we 'know' and shy away from what we don't, the less of the unknown we're allowing back into the known. hence -mystery/mystical

his first thought was to call me stupid because im not some kind of hippy who will believe anything as long as some1 'felt' it to be so. Fuck that pompous fucking ass tard.

He doesnt have the sense to realise what it means to DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE something could be as meaningless as thats how the brain makes itself feel. I've seen lots of information about how a particular area in the brain lights up about anything to do with 'religious' experience and talks about how all this kind of feeling is mapped in evolutive terms. So

I actually try to be aware of most areas of scientific theories and experiments and also aware of the more holistic side of things, and dont fully subscribe to any belief. But I least I have the sense to hold my to beliefs in abeyance, which frankly most people do not. The like to BELIEVE. and death or insults to anyone who doesnt share their gung-ho 100% mindset.

His assertion that experience is as fundamentally sound as the scientific method is simply wrong. A scientific theory is subject to peer review, it has to be proven experimentally and make verifiable predictions. Hardly anything at all is known about the human 'experience'. So forgive me if I put more stock in the scientific method than 'experience'.

Parson will win. That's all i'm saying.