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ketamine wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Labels is from Liquid Swords, which was released on Geffen, and he wasn't near 40 years old when he wrote that...
you're sounding like a complete idiot, with no knowledge of hip hop whatsoever

have you even heard Liquid Swords? Arguably the greatest album of all time?

Yes. It was forced down my throat by all my friends in HighSchool. Of course I heard it. I grew up in Baltimore. Wu Tang were hailed as Gods during my school years. I stand by my opinion. I didn't like them then, and I don't like them now. However, I think my opinion on their "sound" is being taken as disrespect to the Group itself. I like the Wu as a "thing" in HipHop, but when you start comparing somebody like Drake to Ghostface Killa, I can't take it. It brings me back to my arguments in HS about Bone/Wu. It's just a "taste" thing, nobody's right or wrong. But its funny how old washed up rappers always mad at the new ones. Drake doesn't suck, that's why he's on the radio right now. GZA finally write a marketable song, he might get on the radio too.

"Why must you believe somethin is fat just because it's played on the radio, 20 times per day?" - Pharoahe Monch

ketamine wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Labels is from Liquid Swords, which was released on Geffen, and he wasn't near 40 years old when he wrote that...
you're sounding like a complete idiot, with no knowledge of hip hop whatsoever

have you even heard Liquid Swords? Arguably the greatest album of all time?

Yes. It was forced down my throat by all my friends in HighSchool. Of course I heard it. I grew up in Baltimore. Wu Tang were hailed as Gods during my school years. I stand by my opinion. I didn't like them then, and I don't like them now. However, I think my opinion on their "sound" is being taken as disrespect to the Group itself. I like the Wu as a "thing" in HipHop, but when you start comparing somebody like Drake to Ghostface Killa, I can't take it. It brings me back to my arguments in HS about Bone/Wu. It's just a "taste" thing, nobody's right or wrong. But its funny how old washed up rappers always mad at the new ones. Drake doesn't suck, that's why he's on the radio right now. GZA finally write a marketable song, he might get on the radio too.

Are you saying being played on the radio equates to talent? Drake gets played for the same reason mike jones got played years ago. Because he was willing to jump on board with a sound that's "hot right now". He's a marketable figure head, NOTHING more. I'll be the first to admit that while the bone thugs legacy won't be what wu-tangs legacy is, they will be remembered. But give it a few years and see if anybody still knows who Drake is. He's nothing more than a passing fad with a marketable image. But none of that means he has any talent whatsoever.


And for the record, being that you live in my area and get the same stations as me, you know just as well as I do that wu-tang STILL plays on the radio, after about 20 years since their debut album's release.

cmgoodman1226 wrote:

ketamine wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Labels is from Liquid Swords, which was released on Geffen, and he wasn't near 40 years old when he wrote that...
you're sounding like a complete idiot, with no knowledge of hip hop whatsoever

have you even heard Liquid Swords? Arguably the greatest album of all time?

Yes. It was forced down my throat by all my friends in HighSchool. Of course I heard it. I grew up in Baltimore. Wu Tang were hailed as Gods during my school years. I stand by my opinion. I didn't like them then, and I don't like them now. However, I think my opinion on their "sound" is being taken as disrespect to the Group itself. I like the Wu as a "thing" in HipHop, but when you start comparing somebody like Drake to Ghostface Killa, I can't take it. It brings me back to my arguments in HS about Bone/Wu. It's just a "taste" thing, nobody's right or wrong. But its funny how old washed up rappers always mad at the new ones. Drake doesn't suck, that's why he's on the radio right now. GZA finally write a marketable song, he might get on the radio too.

Are you saying being played on the radio equates to talent? Drake gets played for the same reason mike jones got played years ago. Because he was willing to jump on board with a sound that's "hot right now". He's a marketable figure head, NOTHING more. I'll be the first to admit that while the bone thugs legacy won't be what wu-tangs legacy is, they will be remembered. But give it a few years and see if anybody still knows who Drake is. He's nothing more than a passing fad with a marketable image. But none of that means he has any talent whatsoever.


And for the record, being that you live in my area and get the same stations as me, you know just as well as I do that wu-tang STILL plays on the radio, after about 20 years since their debut album's release.

GZA & RZA are God

and i like Mike Jones

rayman612 wrote:

cmgoodman1226 wrote:

ketamine wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Labels is from Liquid Swords, which was released on Geffen, and he wasn't near 40 years old when he wrote that...
you're sounding like a complete idiot, with no knowledge of hip hop whatsoever

have you even heard Liquid Swords? Arguably the greatest album of all time?

Yes. It was forced down my throat by all my friends in HighSchool. Of course I heard it. I grew up in Baltimore. Wu Tang were hailed as Gods during my school years. I stand by my opinion. I didn't like them then, and I don't like them now. However, I think my opinion on their "sound" is being taken as disrespect to the Group itself. I like the Wu as a "thing" in HipHop, but when you start comparing somebody like Drake to Ghostface Killa, I can't take it. It brings me back to my arguments in HS about Bone/Wu. It's just a "taste" thing, nobody's right or wrong. But its funny how old washed up rappers always mad at the new ones. Drake doesn't suck, that's why he's on the radio right now. GZA finally write a marketable song, he might get on the radio too.

Are you saying being played on the radio equates to talent? Drake gets played for the same reason mike jones got played years ago. Because he was willing to jump on board with a sound that's "hot right now". He's a marketable figure head, NOTHING more. I'll be the first to admit that while the bone thugs legacy won't be what wu-tangs legacy is, they will be remembered. But give it a few years and see if anybody still knows who Drake is. He's nothing more than a passing fad with a marketable image. But none of that means he has any talent whatsoever.


And for the record, being that you live in my area and get the same stations as me, you know just as well as I do that wu-tang STILL plays on the radio, after about 20 years since their debut album's release.

GZA & RZA are God

and i like Mike Jones

hahaha back then hoes didnt want me, now I'm hot, hoes all on me.

cmgoodman1226 wrote:

rayman612 wrote:

cmgoodman1226 wrote:

ketamine wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Labels is from Liquid Swords, which was released on Geffen, and he wasn't near 40 years old when he wrote that...
you're sounding like a complete idiot, with no knowledge of hip hop whatsoever

have you even heard Liquid Swords? Arguably the greatest album of all time?

Yes. It was forced down my throat by all my friends in HighSchool. Of course I heard it. I grew up in Baltimore. Wu Tang were hailed as Gods during my school years. I stand by my opinion. I didn't like them then, and I don't like them now. However, I think my opinion on their "sound" is being taken as disrespect to the Group itself. I like the Wu as a "thing" in HipHop, but when you start comparing somebody like Drake to Ghostface Killa, I can't take it. It brings me back to my arguments in HS about Bone/Wu. It's just a "taste" thing, nobody's right or wrong. But its funny how old washed up rappers always mad at the new ones. Drake doesn't suck, that's why he's on the radio right now. GZA finally write a marketable song, he might get on the radio too.

Are you saying being played on the radio equates to talent? Drake gets played for the same reason mike jones got played years ago. Because he was willing to jump on board with a sound that's "hot right now". He's a marketable figure head, NOTHING more. I'll be the first to admit that while the bone thugs legacy won't be what wu-tangs legacy is, they will be remembered. But give it a few years and see if anybody still knows who Drake is. He's nothing more than a passing fad with a marketable image. But none of that means he has any talent whatsoever.


And for the record, being that you live in my area and get the same stations as me, you know just as well as I do that wu-tang STILL plays on the radio, after about 20 years since their debut album's release.

GZA & RZA are God

and i like Mike Jones

hahaha back then hoes didnt want me, now I'm hot, hoes all on me.

LOL, only guy I've ever heard to sample a song on his own album for another song on that same album

cmgoodman1226 wrote:Drake gets played for the same reason mike jones got played years ago. Because he was willing to jump on board with a sound that's "hot right now".

What was out that sounded ANYTHING like Marvins Room before that?
Nothing.
Drake did not "jump" on a pre-existing hot sound, his own personal sound blew up and BECAME the hot sound.
40 changed hiphop production. Now everybody's low passing and reversing piano chords...

And don't you EVER compare the high-end production & engineering standards of Noah Shebib to Mike Jones. Do you even hear yourself?

Marvin's Room is NOT hip hop

drake, he's so hot right now

rayman612 wrote:Marvin's Room is NOT hip hop

Who said it was? Why does it need to be?
Why can't it just exist as "a song" and be whatever it is.
Why bring up 15 year old Wu Tang clan records and compare it?

ketamine wrote:

cmgoodman1226 wrote:Drake gets played for the same reason mike jones got played years ago. Because he was willing to jump on board with a sound that's "hot right now".

What was out that sounded ANYTHING like Marvins Room before that?
Nothing.
Drake did not "jump" on a pre-existing hot sound, his own personal sound blew up and BECAME the hot sound.
40 changed hiphop production. Now everybody's low passing and reversing piano chords...

And don't you EVER compare the high-end production & engineering standards of Noah Shebib to Mike Jones. Do you even hear yourself?

Wow. A guy who can't actually sing is trying to over a decent beat with 808's. How revolutionary...

ketamine wrote:

cmgoodman1226 wrote:Drake gets played for the same reason mike jones got played years ago. Because he was willing to jump on board with a sound that's "hot right now".

What was out that sounded ANYTHING like Marvins Room before that?
Nothing.
Drake did not "jump" on a pre-existing hot sound, his own personal sound blew up and BECAME the hot sound.
40 changed hiphop production. Now everybody's low passing and reversing piano chords...

And don't you EVER compare the high-end production & engineering standards of Noah Shebib to Mike Jones. Do you even hear yourself?

when did i ever mention a producer's name? This whole argument from my side has been about DRAKE, and the fact that he has no singing abilities, no lyrical abilities, no smooth voice abilities, no abilities that would help classify him as talented in ANY genre, let alone hip hop.

Ok. You're entitled to feel that way.

cmgoodman1226 wrote: And for the record, being that you live in my area and get the same stations as me, you know just as well as I do that wu-tang STILL plays on the radio, after about 20 years since their debut album's release.

And they will keep getting played out for many years to come, Drake on the otherhand (& all these other shitty rappers) won't be remembered in 20 years time because they will have been replaced by the next one and it will just keep happening forever.

Ketamine...Although i disagree with pretty much everything you've said, they're your opinions and you're entitled to them but i think we can all agree that the Wu have done loads for Hip Hop and deserve alot more respect and recognition than they get today.

ketamine wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Marvin's Room is NOT hip hop

Who said it was? Why does it need to be?
Why can't it just exist as "a song" and be whatever it is.
Why bring up 15 year old Wu Tang clan records and compare it?

Well in the realm of R&B that song is in no way revolutionary, it's just mediocre



^ Is that Drake's ghostwriter? Could be! Look at his cash

ketamine wrote:I was a Bone Thugs Fan

My only memory of Bone Thugs was that all of Memphis hated them at one point.





I realize this has little to do with the topic at hand...

I ain't really that big on the YMCMB group, but still, this goes hard:

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I wish there was a study done to count the number of 3+ multi-syllable words in all of lil wayne's raps

compared to say Big L or Jay Z or GZA or anyone else really

lol JoJo killed Marvin's Room

Drake is pretty mediocre but the homophobic/hypermasculine/macho criticisms that get made are just sad

Drakes a gay pussy homophobe. and his music is shyt