where can i get a mp3 of anti war dub?

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:30 am

dubway wrote:
UFO over easy wrote:
Paulie wrote:Sorry mate, that's a non-argument. There's plenty of free dubstep people can download without stealing stuff that myself and others are breaking our backs trying to sell.
What difference does it make if they were never going to be able to buy it in the first place?
that's what i said before.. it's same thing for them..

im with dubway on that,unless ya clear samples its stealing and if everyone cleared samples even if a tune wasnt released the music buisness would be so rich that we wouldnt have to worry about free downloads....they would encourage it as an asset

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:37 am

I have to pay to clear every sample... you are ignoring that very fact... so you are stealing something that the producer has put more than heart and soul into... they've put MONEY into it.

There is no way to validate stealing, and no amount of parsing words that will take that away... it's the same as making a copy of the pages of a book, or plagiarism.

I want a lot of cars, but fucked if I can drive every car I want to drive... sometimes you can't afford something. Those are the breaks. That doesn't mean I can go out stealing cars--I just have to do without. Sorry... mixed sets are free for download--that is how you get your music for free, quit fucking it up for underground and indie labels.

northern light · Post by **northern light** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:42 am

Only way to fight filesharing is to stop treating mp3-buyers as second class consumers, and make the tracks available in a net-shop the same day it is in the regular stores.

Post by **dubway** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:42 am

auralassassin wrote:... it's the same as making a copy of the pages of a book, or plagiarism.

I want a lot of cars, but fucked if I can drive every car I want to drive... sometimes you can't afford something. Those are the breaks. That doesn't mean I can go out stealing cars--I just have to do without.

cut the crap

luxuries and art are not the same!

books/knowledge and music/art should be available to everyone!

that's why i dj! to spread the sound.. to let everyone hear it..
not to have some fancy collection of vynils to show off.. (although i do like vynils, obviously..)

but that's just my point of view obviously...

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:45 am

auralassassin wrote: I want a lot of cars, but fucked if I can drive every car I want to drive... sometimes you can't afford something.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce Aural Assassin - master of the hilariously shite analogy.

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:50 am

dubway wrote:so, what you are saying is that someone who lives in africa is not allowed to hear first class music, but only second class free download for pour?

that's true.. that's how it works..

but i don't like it.. especially when it's something as music..

you stole that music form africa!!!
have you payed for using their rhythms and instruments (this is a joke, but every joke is half true)

It's not a question of people being "allowed" to listen to music, is it? People in the UK aren't by definition "allowed" to download music, they take the decision to pay for internet access and the mp3 they choose to purchase. I'm not going to get into a communism versus capitalism debate here, but if people think that they are somehow entitled to something they've contributed nothing to, there won't be very much of that something left in the not-too-distance future, if you catch my drift. If you want to get involved, the door is open. If you want to listen to the music, you have a choice - download the legitimate free stuff available or pay for the products on sale. If you don't do this, then as far as I'm concerned you don't deserve to hear the music.

Oh, and that stealing music from Africa shit is bollocks.

UFO over easy wrote:What difference does it make if they were never going to be able to buy it in the first place?

That's a different issue.

daf · Post by **daf** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:51 am

auralassassin wrote:sometimes you can't afford something. Those are the breaks.

I'm happy to pay for music that I want, and I don't download any music illegally, but you're being extremely black-and-white in your resoning.

Sure, "if you don't want to pay, don't listen to it" sounds simple enough, but so does "if you don't want to give it away, find something else to do" - there are plenty of people that are going to keep on making music, even if it doesn't pay.

As dubway said, I don't see how hardline thinking will lead this debate forward.

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:00 pm

there will be far less people that can spend their time making music... in the end, it causes damage to the artform--you want that on your head?

Why can't you just download from major(read: not dubstep labels) labels who can afford to take the loss? Stealing is stealing... it IS black and white. Thats what you don't get.

We're not talking about stealing food so you won't starve to death. We're talking about stealing music, because you are too lazy to get a job and spend money on a product. And it is a product. People that try and pretend that it's "art and therefor should be free" have never paid to go to a museum.

I've paid to go to a museum to SEE art, I should pay to HEAR art... I only wish I had more to give.

If you enjoy that music enough to download and hold a copy of it on your computer, you owe that artist the money to pay for that service that they have rendered. Paintings cost money... just be glad that they are selling prints of your favorite music...

Prints of paintings cost money... I defy you, find one that doesn't... things cost money on this planet, and stealing is illegal in every country in the world.

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:05 pm

auralassassin wrote:there will be far less people that can spend their time making music... in the end, it causes damage to the artform--you want that on your head?

Why can't you just download from major(read: not dubstep labels) labels who can afford to take the loss? Stealing is stealing... it IS black and white. Thats what you don't get.

We're not talking about stealing food so you won't starve to death. We're talking about stealing music, because you are too lazy to get a job and spend money on a product. And it is a product. People that try and pretend that it's "art and therefor should be free" have never paid to go to a museum.

I've paid to go to a museum to SEE art, I should pay to HEAR art... I only wish I had more to give.

If you enjoy that music enough to download and hold a copy of it on your computer, you owe that artist the money to pay for that service that they have rendered. Paintings cost money... just be glad that they are selling prints of your favorite music...

Prints of paintings cost money... I defy you, find one that doesn't... things cost money on this planet, and stealing is illegal in every country in the world.

i have a job through the day and dj on the weekends so money aint what im going on about...if you wanna get ripped of with a shady pressing go ahead

but please mate i have made a truce or tried to if you wanna start your own topic on how great you are go ahead but this is out of hand

Post by **dubway** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:09 pm

Paulie wrote:It's not a question of people being "allowed" to listen to music, is it? People in the UK aren't by definition "allowed" to download music, they take the decision to pay for internet access and the mp3 they choose to purchase. I'm not going to get into a communism versus capitalism debate here, but if people think that they are somehow entitled to something they've contributed nothing to, there won't be very much of that something left in the not-too-distance future, if you catch my drift. If you want to get involved, the door is open. If you want to listen to the music, you have a choice - download the legitimate free stuff available or pay for the products on sale.

"allowed" in Slaven is similar to "be able to" (sorry for my bad english)

some ppl are just not able to pay for music.. for good reasons.. and you cant say that they "deserve to die" because they want to hear good music..

maybe you forgot that these ppl can listen britney spears.. but only good and possitive aims lead them to dubstep.. exploration, freedom etc.
i think we should support them..

i personaly know ppl who are building the scene in their countries and still, they don't buy the vynils..

should we kill em?

there is no point in this descusion actually.. if you don't get me intuitively.. you will hardly get me at all..

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:10 pm

I see the perspective you're coming from, but I think you miss my point: you can listen to the music without stealing, so why steal from the people whose music you love?

luke.envoy · Post by **luke.envoy** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:13 pm

dubway wrote:i personaly know ppl who are building the scene in their countries and still, they don't buy the vynils..

should we kill em?

nah just point them in the right direction

if they can use the net well enough to steal music then they can use it well enough to buy it

i never had alot of cash so i used to just buy wisely, theres no point in contributing to a problem just cause you cant fix it

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:13 pm

dubway wrote:
Paulie wrote:It's not a question of people being "allowed" to listen to music, is it? People in the UK aren't by definition "allowed" to download music, they take the decision to pay for internet access and the mp3 they choose to purchase. I'm not going to get into a communism versus capitalism debate here, but if people think that they are somehow entitled to something they've contributed nothing to, there won't be very much of that something left in the not-too-distance future, if you catch my drift. If you want to get involved, the door is open. If you want to listen to the music, you have a choice - download the legitimate free stuff available or pay for the products on sale.
"allowed" in Slaven is similar to "be able to" (sorry for my bad english)

some ppl are just not able to pay for music.. for good reasons.. and you cant say that they "deserve to die" because they want to hear good music..

maybe you forgot that these ppl can listen britney spears.. but only good and possitive aims lead them to dubstep.. exploration, freedom etc.

i personaly know ppl who are building the scene in their countries and still, they don't buy the vynils..

should we kill em?

there is no point in this descusion actually.. if you don't get me intuitively.. you will hardly get me at all..

music is an escape-ism and everyone has a muse they wite through...im sure they never know where the track is gunna go or end up..its risky buisness but when ya have people franticly searching for a track because they absolutly cant live without it-wherever they are from then thats gotta make you smile

not frown and wanna kill em-emotions are free and greater than what anyone has to say

daf · Post by **daf** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:17 pm

@ auralassassin:

Nothing is black and white. I might as well say that I'm not going to be stupid enough to pay for something I can get for free. If that means damage will be caused to the artform, well, so be it. I'll deal with that when it happens, and maybe I'll start paying again.

Note that I'm not saying this, I'm still happy to pay for music. But I'm pretty sure your way of resoning is almost certain to lead to this kind of reaction (you're not gonna be able to break the knee caps of everyone who doesn't agree with you). And neither of us want that.

For this to be resolved in a good way, I think we need to also look at the shades of gray.

Post by **dubway** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:18 pm

Paulie wrote:I see the perspective you're coming from, but I think you miss my point: you can listen to the music without stealing, so why steal from the people whose music you love?

if i love it hard enough - i would kill for it

there is one book: Crime and Punishment

but i understand your point.. some things (like dubplate) are sacred

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:18 pm

it makes no sense to pay for something you can get for free.

plastician · Post by **plastician** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:19 pm

I've probably had more trouble with music piracy than any other artist in the scene.

Many of you may remember the pulava when Cha got leaked on DC++ back in the days I used to post on RWD Forums.

First and foremost I, and many other producers in the grime and dubstep scenes produce music because it is a great way of expressing yourself. I don't do it to get paid but NOTHING in life comes for free, there is a price on everything. It costs me money to make these tracks, and I don't think asking 99p on Bleep is too much to ask for a high quality mp3.

If the track is available on shelves then go and buy it. If the track is available to buy online, then log on and buy it.

If you like the track and the artist that much that you would like to help them continue a successful career in music, then put some change in their pockets and help them fund the next release.

There's nothing worse than sitting on material you can't release due to lack of funds. I never earnt a penny off of a release you may well know - "Hard Graft" (aptly titled in the end!).

I was a student at the time and I was doing music to try and get me thru my 2 year course and pay the bills. Because of the situation I was in, I could not release another record myself for nearly 9 months after losing out on money from that release, and had to wait on payment for 3 other projects until I had enough to press my first Terrorhythm release.

Think about it. A lot of these musicians put a lot of time into putting their music out there for you people. Without your money in return they cannot financially contemplate releasing any more material. The sooner this starts happening, the more releases you will see on the shelves and the bigger the whole scene will get.

It's a vicious circle - just put your hand in your pocket and we can push things forward.

Plastician

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:22 pm

dubway wrote:
Paulie wrote:I see the perspective you're coming from, but I think you miss my point: you can listen to the music without stealing, so why steal from the people whose music you love?
if i love it hard enough - i would kill for it

there is one book: Crime and Punishment

quote-Sonia looks around her in despair and sees the crowd eyeing her with hostility.

crime and punishment

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:26 pm

Plasticman wrote:I've probably had more trouble with music piracy than any other artist in the scene.

Many of you may remember the pulava when Cha got leaked on DC++ back in the days I used to post on RWD Forums.

First and foremost I, and many other producers in the grime and dubstep scenes produce music because it is a great way of expressing yourself. I don't do it to get paid but NOTHING in life comes for free, there is a price on everything. It costs me money to make these tracks, and I don't think asking 99p on Bleep is too much to ask for a high quality mp3.

If the track is available on shelves then go and buy it. If the track is available to buy online, then log on and buy it.

If you like the track and the artist that much that you would like to help them continue a successful career in music, then put some change in their pockets and help them fund the next release.

There's nothing worse than sitting on material you can't release due to lack of funds. I never earnt a penny off of a release you may well know - "Hard Graft" (aptly titled in the end!).

I was a student at the time and I was doing music to try and get me thru my 2 year course and pay the bills. Because of the situation I was in, I could not release another record myself for nearly 9 months after losing out on money from that release, and had to wait on payment for 3 other projects until I had enough to press my first Terrorhythm release.

Think about it. A lot of these musicians put a lot of time into putting their music out there for you people. Without your money in return they cannot financially contemplate releasing any more material. The sooner this starts happening, the more releases you will see on the shelves and the bigger the whole scene will get.

It's a vicious circle - just put your hand in your pocket and we can push things forward.

Plastician

its fair comment from the horses mouth as it were but after all this i went out and bought it.

the 30 sec clip was enuff for me forever ,just had to feel that vibe again-ive been into dubstep for a month now and dont know alot of music links,shops etc blah blah

i did say sorry

Post by **dubway** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:32 pm

auralassassin wrote:People that try and pretend that it's "art and therefor should be free" have never paid to go to a museum.

I've paid to go to a museum to SEE art, I should pay to HEAR art... I only wish I had more to give.

i never said that paying for museum is right!
and i would never shout to a kid which "steals" by sneaking into museum without paying ticket!!! actually, i would buy him an icecream and give him money for ticket, and told him how to earn money for museum..
and i don't know for your country but museums are heavily supported by goverment in my country, so the price is simbolic - as it should be for music too (in my ideal world)

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