Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:31 pm
by Lye_Form
deadly habit wrote:I'd argue the vinyl market isn't growing for dance music (and the increase of laptop and digital djs supports this), but more for indie rock 7"s and pop stuff as it's become somewhat of a hipsters collector's item.
Hell the names that have come to be associated with dubstep for the layman (like it or not) like Skrillex etc have never even been on wax, nor do they seem to have plans to touch physical media distribution either.
People hate to hear it, but the vinyl market for dance music has become a niche market.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:33 pm
by pete_bubonic
gwa wrote:alright pete i like you 2 you know
I dont make house tho.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:34 pm
by gwa
nah but i bet i could make a quick buck on band camp tho.
come now
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:51 pm
by pete_bubonic
gwa wrote:nah but i bet i could make a quick buck on band camp tho.
come now
lol, just started a band account on bandcamp as can't get labels to even listen to the demo. BARE P'S JUST FOR ME.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:59 pm
by deadly_habit
Lye Form wrote:
deadly habit wrote:I'd argue the vinyl market isn't growing for dance music (and the increase of laptop and digital djs supports this), but more for indie rock 7"s and pop stuff as it's become somewhat of a hipsters collector's item.
Hell the names that have come to be associated with dubstep for the layman (like it or not) like Skrillex etc have never even been on wax, nor do they seem to have plans to touch physical media distribution either.
People hate to hear it, but the vinyl market for dance music has become a niche market.
I'll be damned last time I checked he had 0
Guess the new EDM crowd may be actually buying up wax.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:00 pm
by deadly_habit
pete bubonic wrote:
gwa wrote:nah but i bet i could make a quick buck on band camp tho.
come now
lol, just started a band account on bandcamp as can't get labels to even listen to the demo. BARE P'S JUST FOR ME.
Yea marketing bandcamp is just as much an effort as marketing wax.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:08 pm
by garethom
deadly habit wrote:
pete bubonic wrote:
gwa wrote:nah but i bet i could make a quick buck on band camp tho.
come now
lol, just started a band account on bandcamp as can't get labels to even listen to the demo. BARE P'S JUST FOR ME.
Yea marketing bandcamp is just as much an effort as marketing wax.
Significantly less chance of getting your wrists broken by albanian gangsters from the pub that you borrowed a grand from to press some fokin records.
pete bubonic wrote:
Pistons, you on skype? Hit me up with an address I'll send some stuff over! in the meantime check out my band! http://www.soundcloud.com/isoladusk
Do this.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:10 pm
by pete_bubonic
deadly habit wrote:
pete bubonic wrote:
gwa wrote:nah but i bet i could make a quick buck on band camp tho.
come now
lol, just started a band account on bandcamp as can't get labels to even listen to the demo. BARE P'S JUST FOR ME.
Yea marketing bandcamp is just as much an effort as marketing wax.
Not sure we're having the same conversation: gwa is suggesting I send him some of my beats so he can sell them via bandcamp and I am saying I'm going to start putting my band stuff on there as I can't get labels to listen to me.
As for your stream of convo, I think using Skrilly as an example for anything is misleading as he's an outlier to the norm. But yes I agree in that indie bands and in effect the fashion and aesthetic of rock bands being on vinyl is having more of an effect than dance material (as dance producers tend to embrace new tech much more openly).
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:13 pm
by gwa
pete bubonic wrote:
gwa wrote:nah but i bet i could make a quick buck on band camp tho.
come now
lol, just started a band account on bandcamp as can't get labels to even listen to the demo. BARE P'S JUST FOR ME.
i'll help you if you give me 60% cut
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:07 pm
by Marcus
BlackBox wrote:
OK folks, we need to update you regarding the Author project - it hasn't gone as well as we hoped, and vinyl has been delayed due to pressing problems. This has been purely down the label's failings and not the fault of Ruckspin and Sparrow - we're sorry that we haven't been able to deliver their amazing music to you in the way that was intended.
Apologies for the silence on the matter, we are working hard to fix things as soon as possible and will make an announcement regarding the vinyl release asap.
In the meantime you can still buy the CD / Digital in all good shops and we recommend you give the LP your full support!
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:27 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
pete bubonic wrote:
Lye Form wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:
My fave tune you guys put out is into the sunset by forsaken...nothing quite like it out there and we need more labels willing to take risks in the way yours did..
Taking risks cus thats Petes music.
Taiko Riddim should have had a white label release, would have copped without a doubt:
Cheers lads, I actually argued against putting it out, especially as our second release, I thought we should have more established names, with something with more mass appeal. We ended up pressing 750 and selling out (after free pr copies etc) about 680. After artwork, free mp3s, P&D cut, Z-Audio fucking us about, it really didn't earn us a lot (to put it in context, the Joker TRG release sold about 1400), in fact I think we made enough for the next release extras, but not enough to ditch the P&D. We really hit problems with the last 5 releases, despite the names we secured and the effort in presentation, we were struggling to sell 300 units per release.
Pistons, you on skype? Hit me up with an address I'll send some stuff over! in the meantime check out my band! http://www.soundcloud.com/isoladusk
safe...pmd
my skype is pistonsbeneath
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:30 pm
by wormcode
Good news from Blackbox then. I can understand the silence, you don't want to speak before there's more confidence in the things you have to say.
@Deadly
You are mostly right yeah. It is a 'hipster cool' kind of thing, with the USB turntables at Walmart and even cheap DJ battle packs being sold at places like Best Buy in the states. Fry's actually has a large vinyl section (expensive too), it sells Daft Punk, Skrillex and Deadmouse vinyl on the shelf next to stuff like The Strokes , Incubus, and Kings of Leon.
Vinyl sales have been picking up yes, but not for what most of us here are interested in buying or consider 'electronic music'. The electronic records that do sell in mainstream stores is the shit MTV calls 'EDM', which are also the artists who can afford to press near 50,000 copies or whatever without worry.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:44 pm
by Sonika
very unfortunate
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:39 pm
by skimpi
Marcus wrote:
Pedro Sánchez wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:I think the whole process from the ground up needs rethinking
everyone seems to be kidding themselves on a manufacturing level and yeah they need to cover THEIR costs but what happens when everyone stops pressing records because it isn't worth it?
Home 3D printers will of perfected making records by that time and will be at a consumer price point. Hopefully.
It will be a very long time before they have the ability to print in such detail, the grooves are tiny.
The current way to sell vinyl is make it limited 300/500 press unless you are someone like Mala who can easily sell out 1000 mala in cuba boxes for £30. I think the vinyl market will continue to shrink but personally I will continue to buy vinyl.
wont it still be no better than digital quality too? 3d printers arent analog machines are they
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:22 am
by antipode
garethom wrote:Significantly less chance of getting your wrists broken by albanian gangsters from the pub that you borrowed a grand from to press some fokin records.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:50 am
by Doozle
skimpi wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Pedro Sánchez wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:I think the whole process from the ground up needs rethinking
everyone seems to be kidding themselves on a manufacturing level and yeah they need to cover THEIR costs but what happens when everyone stops pressing records because it isn't worth it?
Home 3D printers will of perfected making records by that time and will be at a consumer price point. Hopefully.
It will be a very long time before they have the ability to print in such detail, the grooves are tiny.
The current way to sell vinyl is make it limited 300/500 press unless you are someone like Mala who can easily sell out 1000 mala in cuba boxes for £30. I think the vinyl market will continue to shrink but personally I will continue to buy vinyl.
wont it still be no better than digital quality too? 3d printers arent analog machines are they
It'd probably easier to rig up your own DIY lathe wouldn't it?
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:12 am
by garethom
Nah, you'd still need access to the wizard who puts the music in the groove.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:46 am
by Pedro Sánchez
wont it still be no better than digital quality too? 3d printers arent analog machines are they
? I think I know what you are getting at but the second something leaves a digital domain it is analogue, the same way a track on digital format (CD, MP3 etc.) gets cut to vinyl, as said above it's only a case of how precise the printers get that would determine the quality, at the minute they sound like shit but the technology is in it's infancy but the potential is huge.
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:53 am
by pete_bubonic
Do you think the 3D printing approach will ever reach a relative economic sustainability to rival the lathe approach?
Re: j sparrow - posts some interesting revealing things
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:01 am
by Marcus
Well I would still call it analogue say if the cutting house scanned in the master of the record then uploaded it for people to buy then print their own record.
pete bubonic wrote:Do you think the 3D printing approach will ever reach a relative economic sustainability to rival the lathe approach?
Not for a very long time, they would need a lot of time to for the accuracy, most likely need different needles are don't no the durability.
