Syria, Iraq, and the Road To Hell

[alphacat]

Syrian army may use kamikaze pilots against west, Assad officer claims
At least 8,000 suicide 'martyrs' ready to foil US warplanes hand-in-hand with Hezbollah and Iran, says regime loyalist

[hugh]

Labour have blocked the bill, it's starting to look possible that we will be forced down the UN route, which imo is the best way to go about it.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Labour have blocked the bill, it's starting to look possible that we will be forced down the UN route, which imo is the best way to go about it.

Tells you everything about the vermin that are running this mess of a country when they use language like this in a political setting.

No 10 and the Foreign Office think Miliband is a fucking cunt and a copper-bottomed shit.

[Jizz]

Syrian army may use kamikaze pilots against west, Assad officer claims
At least 8,000 suicide 'martyrs' ready to foil US warplanes hand-in-hand with Hezbollah and Iran, says regime loyalist

Wow.

[hugh]

Labour have blocked the bill, it's starting to look possible that we will be forced down the UN route, which imo is the best way to go about it.

Tells you everything about the vermin that are running this mess of a country when they use language like this in a political setting.

No 10 and the Foreign Office think Miliband is a fucking cunt and a copper-bottomed shit.

where did you get that from?

[Pedro Sánchez]

Labour have blocked the bill, it's starting to look possible that we will be forced down the UN route, which imo is the best way to go about it.

Tells you everything about the vermin that are running this mess of a country when they use language like this in a political setting.

No 10 and the Foreign Office think Miliband is a fucking cunt and a copper-bottomed shit.

where did you get that from?

A government source told The Times, they published it unedited and no one has asked them to retract it as of yet.

[test_recordings]

Labour have blocked the bill, it's starting to look possible that we will be forced down the UN route, which imo is the best way to go about it.

Tells you everything about the vermin that are running this mess of a country when they use language like this in a political setting.

No 10 and the Foreign Office think Miliband is a fucking cunt and a copper-bottomed shit.

where did you get that from?

A government source told The Times, they published it unedited and no one has asked them to retract it as of yet.

The government always gets pissy when it's proved wrong

[nitz]

10pm to on bbc news the motion

[rorz9992]

Am I the only one who has doesn't even give a shit about anything any more!? I don't know what I should believe or who is reporting real news. I hate having an opinion on basically anything I haven't experience first hand now because I know it will never be truly well-informed.

[ezza]

Am I the only one who has doesn't even give a shit about anything any more!? I don't know what I should believe or who is reporting real news. I hate having an opinion on basically anything I haven't experience first hand now because I know it will never be truly well-informed.

Same, i hate the news and i dont really trust much else. Also a bit of laziness and naivety in there as well


i literally have no clue whats going on outside music, art and fashion

[nowaysj]

Just reading the first page and skipping ahead here, as people were posting that there was some dispute about the use of chemical weapons. The weapons were used by the FSA, moved through Benghazi, through Turkey, with the aid of Qatar. The planing documents for this action were leaked BEFORE the use of the weapons, and people STILL want to pretend like Assad is a mad killer and must be stopped for humanitarian reasons.

[alphacat]

Am I the only one who has doesn't even give a shit about anything any more!? I don't know what I should believe or who is reporting real news. I hate having an opinion on basically anything I haven't experience first hand now because I know it will never be truly well-informed.

Same, i hate the news and i dont really trust much else. Also a bit of laziness and naivety in there as well


i literally have no clue whats going on outside music, art and fashion

The problem is that "they" - the players with an interest in winning and losing this game, on both sides - want you to stay that way. That's so when they finally win whatever they're trying to get, you won't know what to do when they line ya up against a wall and do what they want to with you. Hell, worked for centuries in Rome.

[alphacat]

2013 Obama At War With 2007 Obama Over Syria

As the tired gears of War began inevitably turning towards U.S. military intervention in Syria this week, other, considerably more neglected gears of Reasonable Deliberation and Reverence For The Constitution also kicked into motion. The international community and American lawmakers are urging President Obama to reconsider his plan to punish Syrian tyrant Bashar al-Assad for using chemical weapons against his people.

While the U.N. continues gathering evidence of the alleged chemical strike, the U.S.'s usual cohorts on matters of international police efforts are sending signals of caution.

On Monday France's foreign minister was quoted as saying, “The only option I do not envisage is to do nothing." Now French President François Hollande has considerably toned down the urgency: “We will only manage this if the international community can put a temporary stop to this escalation in violence, of which the chemical attack is just one example."

British authorities have released an "unusual" public report stating that while Assad almost certainly used chemical weapons against his people, “There is no obvious political or military trigger for regime use of C.W. on an apparently larger scale now, particularly given the current presence in Syria of the U.N. investigation team.”

A U.N. envoy stated that "international law is clear": the U.N. Security Council must approve the use of force.

President Obama could, of course, go it alone. But that would also be in violation of Congress's exclusive authority to make War. Speaker of the House John Boehner raised this issue in a letter to the president, as did a committee of members of Congress and the War Powers Committee of the Constitution Project, as did Republican Congressman Scott Rigell, whose district in Virginia holds one of the highest percentages of citizens who are in the armed forces in the country.

The American people are against military intervention in Syria.

Several commenters, including David Cole and Conor Friedersdorf, have invoked the president's own language in 2007, when he said:

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

But why should this matter to him now?

In an interview with PBS on Tuesday, President Obama explained the reasoning behind bombing Syria to punish Assad.

I have not made a decision, but I think it’s important that if, in fact, we make a choice to have repercussions for the use of chemical weapons, then the Assad regime, which is involved in a civil war, trying to protect itself, will have received a pretty strong signal, that in fact, it better not do it again. And that doesn’t solve all the problems inside of Syria, and, you know, it doesn’t, obviously end the death of innocent civilians inside of Syria.

Tomahawk missiles = "Better not do it again" and not much more.

But Assad might do it again anyway. Bombing Syria could embolden him and his allies, including Iran. Or make him more desperate. Or it could kill innocent people. It will almost certainly carry unintended consequences.

In an interview with the Washington Post, Christopher Hill, a former diplomat who was sent to Kosovo in 1999, said he supports military intervention. But:

The problem is that people expect when U.S. military assets are deployed that we will do so until the regime goes away. The problem with Syria is that it’s bombing in the absence of a political plan. I think we’re opening a big door. Every time you drop bombs on something, you can’t entirely predict the results.

The U.N.'s report on Assad's use of chemical weapons will be delivered to the Secretary General on Saturday. Maybe we'll be at war (with a new country) by then.

[Blenky]

The No's have it

[bennyfroobs]

big up labour for gettin the cuntservatives told off

with the internet n shit like that im so confused why governments think they can get away with this shit. everyone can read them and their ulterior motives like a book these days. ameriyanks and their uk tory lapdogs off to steal some oil and make tons of profit for their rich friends while pretending to liberate the oppressed people

anyone ever read the shock doctrine by naomi klein? really interesting stuff abotu the iraq war. its insane how profitable war is :/

sticky situation though cos the west cant exactly just sit back and watch people getting slaughtered :-/

tbh though the middle east is ALWAYS gonna be like this. if it isnt assad its gonna be soemone else after assad. the people in power now in afghanistan are just as bad and corrupt if nt worse than the taliban were. and just look at egypt, those guys elected the muslim brotherhood and now the military have taken over and are trying to overthrown them?! to be fair the muslim bortherhood are crazy dictators, but they WERE elected.... western meddling isnt gonna change the middle east, they need to change themselves

[volcanogeorge]

Davey C said:

"It is very clear tonight that, while the House has not passed a motion, it is clear to me that the British parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the government will act accordingly."

obviously this isn't a lie

[orangeluva56]

guess we're gonna have to go in alone. thanks for helping us spread freedom, britbongs.

[Laszlo]

Am I the only one who has doesn't even give a shit about anything any more!? I don't know what I should believe or who is reporting real news. I hate having an opinion on basically anything I haven't experience first hand now because I know it will never be truly well-informed.

Unfortunately i'm with you on this. I haven't watched the news regularly for the past two or three years but when I do the overuse of graphics and vox pops just makes me rage. Ask me about a news story from about 1990-2010ish and i've probably got something solid to say about it, anything past that, well, i'm patchy at best.
The best I manage these days is the occasional update from radio 4.


I miss Moira Stuart

[bennyfroobs]

guess we're gonna have to go in alone. thanks for helping us spread freedom, britbongs.

i hope ur joking man usa is basically 1984, u have literally no freedom

[orangeluva56]

guess we're gonna have to go in alone. thanks for helping us spread freedom, britbongs.

i hope ur joking man usa is basically 1984, u have literally no freedom

have u checked the freedom index USA is #1