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Sonika wrote:rick strassman did some research with DMT that suggested that it could be released from the pineal gland, which would make sense bc DMT is a fairly basic compound that's only two pharmacological steps away from tryptophan, an amino acid that makes up everything

ahh wow thanks for that, why did i bother doing a pharmacology degree when you could have taught me. What you said is bullshit anyway; there is no such thing as a 'pharmacological step' and changing a carboxylic acid group into an amine and removing another amine group would involve more than 2 'steps' anyway whatever a step means.

Even if it does release dmt so what? what makes that more important than the pituitary gland releasing endorphins? or any other gland?

ultraspatial wrote: i think you can blame descartes for that http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pineal-gland/

ffs so this all comes from someones knowledge of neuroscience in the 16th century?

"a soul" is a persistent being, temporarily resident within a particular body and mind whilst capable of recalling previous tenancies
"a spirit" is an energy field which animates a particular incarnation

My mind sometimes believes that it is associated with a soul,
particularly when seeking the comfort of a past before birth and a future beyond death
but usually it is sensible and dismisses the existence of a soul as irrelevant to the current circumstance
and a conceptual restraint on self-perception.

Having a spirit is more plausible because of experiences that suggest my having a trans-locatable aura
and that some phenomenon I have sensed can be intellectually modelled as the energy fields of other beings.

JizzMan wrote:the soul is what makes us one and the same through the fact that we are all different



thread needs some soul train:

I don't think that things that are different can be the same.

namaste

same is different from same

SOUL TRAINN

Muncey wrote:I edited and answered. No a human is a body and the brain.. the mind is a function of the brain.. further than that and its too abstract for me to bother with.

I find the argument that because our brains are more complex/evolved/our consciousness is unique that we have 'souls' and animals don't a bit arrogant. We're just more advanced, I dunno where in evolution this abstract thing suddenly popped up.

Seems like a placeholder for stuff we don't understand. Feelings, emotions, experiences.. "must be the soul".

I want to return to this actually, I started to digress.

I can only assume that you, with relatively good reason to do so, are associating characteristics, which differ from that of the body, to the brain. However, as the brain is a part of the body, and given that those characteristics belong to something real, do you not see that there is something that even you are describing that is not of the body? that other part of you. That is the mind (mind = soul, person, etc.), the part of you which doesn't exist physically but can be discussed by other means.

sellout

rickyarbino wrote:

Muncey wrote:I edited and answered. No a human is a body and the brain.. the mind is a function of the brain.. further than that and its too abstract for me to bother with.

I find the argument that because our brains are more complex/evolved/our consciousness is unique that we have 'souls' and animals don't a bit arrogant. We're just more advanced, I dunno where in evolution this abstract thing suddenly popped up.

Seems like a placeholder for stuff we don't understand. Feelings, emotions, experiences.. "must be the soul".

I want to return to this actually, I started to digress.

I can only assume that you, with relatively good reason to do so, are associating characteristics, which differ from that of the body, to the brain. However, as the brain is a part of the body, and given that those characteristics belong to something real, do you not see that there is something that even you are describing that is not of the body? that other part of you. That is the mind (mind = soul, person, etc.), the part of you which doesn't exist physically but can be discussed by other means.

Yeah I get that but I just see it as the workings of the brain, not this separate entity. Pain for example doesn't exist physically and at some stage it probably could have been lumped in with all those other things that people associate with the soul but we now know its nerves sending a message to our brain "ouch, that hurt.. don't do it again". The explanation doesn't require this external 'thing' called a soul, its just the functioning of the brain. I basically see the mind as that, the brain at work.

i think what we've learnt from this thread is that mason and muncey are still dickheads tbh

m8son is cool tho