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If you haven't figured that I love arguing you should be banned tbh.
This is a tnuc thread. That's all.

the feynman avatar tho

dfaultuzr wrote:

kaili wrote:the vote IS the thing that matters at the end of the day

while i genuinely wish this was true, voting nowadays can be mostly reduced to "pick your favourite plutocrat" tbh imo bbq

also in what i'd consider a healthy democracy, citizen engagement in political issues shouldn't be just voting once every x years and mostly not giving a fuck the rest of the time

depends how u define the word 'matters'
and i meant as in, affects the end result aka who gets picked to lead
but yeah i do agree, but voting is the only citizen engagement i can think of really, like theres not really other platforms other than becoming an mp and turning into a dude like the one in my pic
but i do know shit all about politics so i could be wrong, probably out of my depth here lol
anyways pls never write 'tbh imo bbq' again

Why is it a tnuc thread? However different jaydot's ideas are and however much you disagree with them they are no less valid than anyone else's.

This is how democracy works.

m8son wrote:

jesslem wrote:Nah, 'low it. He's baffed.

Lock this thread and ban him.

what? so because someone shares a different opinion to you we should ignore it and ban him? smh

You forgot the bbq.

bbq

not having a go at you mind, just that i'm getting increasingly bitter at having to choose between some guy i really despise and completely disagree with and some guy i despise a little bit less and completely disagree with every new election and i'm finding harder and harder to rationalize telling other people that voting is the kind of political engagement that will bring any sort of meaningful change

imo tbh bbq

m8son wrote:Why is it a tnuc thread? However different jaydot's ideas are and however much you disagree with them they are no less valid than anyone else's.

This is how democracy works.

Because he argues and makes statements like a tnuc.
DSF is NOT a democracy.

jaydot wrote:1.) Leaving the EU: We'd still continue free trade with our European counterparts but not have EU obligations, that means no mass immigration from countries like Romania and Bulgaria, and that's got to be a good thing.

It also means no tax-free investment, barrier free entry into Europe and tax-free import/export for Britons who aren't able to get into our over-inflated property market, want to trade with our neighbours or want to earn their livings abroad. Parties like UKIP are quick to tell us about Dominika and Marek taking our fruit packing jobs and using the NHS, but they're not quite so quick to tell you about the swathes of cheap property that Britons, French and Germans have snapped up around the continent or the tens of thousands of businesses that rely on free trade with the continent.

2.) Scrapping of Bedroom Tax: Which is essentially a Robin Hood Tax.

Labour would do this too. I think maybe we have different ideas of what a "Robin Hood Tax" is though.

3.) No votes for prisoners: They should lose their right to vote as soon as they're incarcerated

Matter of opinion, I suppose, but IMHO a prisoner should be able to vote and campaign to change laws that affect them. It's not like the prison population can hold the country to ransom via its vote - prisoners make up 0.15% of the country.

4.) No cuts to frontline policing: Good thing, yes?

Cuts or no cuts, the only policy I'd like to hear from anyone on the police is that they're being entirely reformed. UKIP haven't got the bollocks, but neither has anyone.

5.) No benefits or private health insurance to immigrants for five years: As their manifesto points out they must "pay into before they take out, of the pot

Pathetic. Might as well hold back benefits for 18-23 year olds... very few people with the energy to move their entire existence to a new country in order to make a living plan to live on benefits. It's a safety net, not the bouncy castle people would have you believe.

6.) Priority of social housing given to British people: YES! Finally! What I've been saying for nigh on ten years. I don't know how this will work (I read it on aleaflet through my door) but blue collar British workers, single parents, Brits on benefits (could be JSA, ESA, DLA) get first refusal on soial housing if their parents or grandparents were born in the area. As I say I'm not sure how they will implement it but hats off if they do, I don't know how many of you have applied for council housing or have any knowledge of the system but the wait is ridiculous and I know Manchester for one is regenerating areas only to put immigrants in the new houses they build.

Would you rather see immigrant-only ghettos created where British people don't want to live? The suburbs are going to be delightful under UKIP!

7.) No tax on the minimum wage.

Toothless. A full time worker on minimum wage (6.31/hr) working 35 hours a week for 48 weeks a year will earn £10,668. They already get £10,000 of that tax free due to the standard allowance.

8.) Make cuts to foreing aid that are "real and rigorous", another thing I've been wondering a while, why do we let our British people freeze and starve on the streets when we're giving millions if not billions in foreign aid?

We currently give around 0.7% of GNP as foreign aid, which is around and about exactly the UN minimum. If you think 0.7% is too much to give to our fellow humans then I'm not convinced you deserve membership of a species, let alone the United Nations.

YOU decide.

I think I have.

Yes I get your points wub, and they're quite valid but they're not opinion-changing. I've been saying for years that social housing should first and foremost go to British people, British jobs for British workers etc. I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place. Plus the fact that the country isn't your own anymore, in big cities and towns it's like you're an alien from another planet sometimes with all the foreign tongues and that's not right,

Mangma talking the sense

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Aside from prisoners voting, my mind will not be swayed on that one

jaydot wrote:Yes I get your points wub, and they're quite valid but they're not opinion-changing. I've been saying for years that social housing should first and foremost go to British people, British jobs for British workers etc. I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place. Plus the fact that the country isn't your own anymore, in big cities and towns it's like you're an alien from another planet sometimes with all the foreign tongues and that's not right,

do you realise how much this sounds like "i want bri'ain to be about bri'ish"?

inb4 muslamic rayguns

jaydot wrote:I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place.

Dunno man, that's pretty racist if you read it slowly.

jaydot wrote:Plus the fact that the country isn't your own anymore, in big cities and towns it's like you're an alien from another planet sometimes with all the
foreign tongues and that's not right,

Holy shit

jesslem wrote:

jaydot wrote:I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place.

Dunno man, that's pretty racist if you read it slowly.

I don't really see how that's racist? Surely trying to limit possible 'opponents' in life is common sense, and seeing as you can't make people leave the country is wanting to stop more people coming in really that bad?

can you change jaydots name to muslamic rayguns?

That is a good name, bbq.

m8son wrote:

jesslem wrote:

jaydot wrote:I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place.

Dunno man, that's pretty racist if you read it slowly.

I don't really see how that's racist? Surely trying to limit possible 'opponents' in life is common sense, and seeing as you can't make people leave the country is wanting to stop more people coming in really that bad?

must be a shit way to go through life if youre just viewing everyone else as your "opponents", especially if its just on the basis of them being from a different country than you.

Pathetic. Might as well hold back benefits for 18-23 year olds... very few people with the energy to move their entire existence to a new country in order to make a living plan to live on benefits. It's a safety net, not the bouncy castle people would have you believe.

Should we be obligated to waste taxpayers money on extra people? Really? If we left the EU then we wouldn't have to spend money on these people. They're a drain on public services, they're a drain on taxpayers money, they commit crimes (ranging from petty to serious, petty obviously not being widely reported but watch Crimewatch or read a red too (in before you say sensationalist propaganda) and you'll see foreigners commiting serious fraud, rape, murder etc. and they're extra mouths to feed and extra people to house. Plus the fact that more foreigners coming into the country is devaluing our society.

Would you rather see immigrant-only ghettos created where British people don't want to live? The suburbs are going to be delightful under UKIP!.

I'm sure if you're homeless then you'd take any house tbh, it's not a case of "not" wanting to live there. And plenty of immigrant only ghettos exist already, mainly in social housing areas. Go figure.

We currently give around 0.7% of GNP as foreign aid, which is around and about exactly the UN minimum. If you think 0.7% is too much to give to our fellow humans then I'm not convinced you deserve membership of a species, let alone the United Nations.

Can I have a figure in pounds please?

m8son wrote:

jesslem wrote:

jaydot wrote:I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place.

Dunno man, that's pretty racist if you read it slowly.

I don't really see how that's racist? Surely trying to limit possible 'opponents' in life is common sense, and seeing as you can't make people leave the country is wanting to stop more people coming in really that bad?

because as jaydot has shown us, such 'threats' with their laziness and their foreign tongues are a real and imminent threat rather than fanciful constructions of a collective prejudice that he has subscribed to? right?