Burial - Untrue - The apocalypse?

[shonky]

I've only been into dubstep for about a year, but in the last 6 months I've noticed a change in vibe at events I've been to. Maybe its just coincidence. But I seem to notice a lot more of a 'nightclub' atmosphere... more people are like 'look at me, I'm a dubstepper'.... and more people who are just there to get pissed and play up. Not complaining, because more people in the door is good for the scene.

But I do prefer the 'eyes down, skankin in the dark' vibe!

Anyone else noticed this?

Nightclub atmosphere in a nightclub??? Surely not

[metalboxproducts]

I've only been into dubstep for about a year, but in the last 6 months I've noticed a change in vibe at events I've been to. Maybe its just coincidence. But I seem to notice a lot more of a 'nightclub' atmosphere... more people are like 'look at me, I'm a dubstepper'.... and more people who are just there to get pissed and play up. Not complaining, because more people in the door is good for the scene.

But I do prefer the 'eyes down, skankin in the dark' vibe!

Anyone else noticed this?

Nightclub atmosphere in a nightclub??? Surely not

what's the world coming to?

[umkhontowesizwe]

Surely this has been the cycle for UK dance music since forever? Genres start off fairly "underground", reach a peak of popularity with limited mainstream success, and then fizzle out leaving behind only those actually interested in the music?

Happened with jungle, happened with garage and it’s most probably going to happen with dubstep. Not really read the whole thread in detail so I don’t know if I’ve repeated anything, but that’s pretty much the jist of it.

[dubplate]

But what about stuff that's deep and fast and happy vs stuff that's deep and fast and emo. Bugger, that's another couple of subdivisions.

Deep dubstep in a rave or dubstep night dosent really work imo, too slow and not enough to get the crowd going. eg. Scuba

[shonky]

Genres start off fairly "underground", reach a peak of popularity with limited mainstream success, and then fizzle out leaving behind only those actually interested in the music?

Ah, we can but dream....

[forensix (mcr)]

But what about stuff that's deep and fast and happy vs stuff that's deep and fast and emo. Bugger, that's another couple of subdivisions.

Deep dubstep in a rave or dubstep night dosent really work imo, too slow and not enough to get the crowd going. eg. Scuba

only da wobble toons in da clubs cos dey get da crowd goin u no

[corpsey]

I think the sound system in a club has a lot to do with how well deep dubstep can go down at a night.

That's why mid rangey wobble stuff will cross over more easily- you don't even need decent sub to 'get' them. You can wave your arms around to the wobble. I suppose that's one of the reasons DJs favour them- you can take them to any club and they'll do the business, whereas a deep Loefah or Scuba tune might sound turd.

[umkhontowesizwe]

Genres start off fairly "underground", reach a peak of popularity with limited mainstream success, and then fizzle out leaving behind only those actually interested in the music?

Ah, we can but dream....

haha, poseur holocaust!

[jolly wailer]

whatever happened to ---- "it's brock out time!!" ??? I feel like I am catching the general vibe that everyone loves a huge stonking tune and at the same time they hate it!!! ... I mean... I hate to point fingers but..

I remember a specific BAPS where the very first tune they played was Rusko's 'Hammertime' and Boomnoise himself enthusiastically declared that it was indeed "brockout time" ... but then went on to interview Reso later in the show where the topic of dancefloor bangers was discussed as a sort of danger to "the scene"...


I mean where do we all really stand? .. it can be said that we don't all simply listen exclusively to dubstep -- and even that -- when we do listen to artists/producers that fall within the confines of the dubstep scene it is indeed our inner state/emotional disposition that dictates what sort of 'sound' we want to be hearing.. now for some of us that might not waver very much, for others it might teeter between two opposite spectrums ... one might throw on 'u hurt me' .. or 'qawwali' ... or (gasp) 'spongebob' or something like iration steppahs ... like really, these are fucking individual tunes - they don't have stratospheric impacts on the 'scene' ... they don't drive the scene too far in any direction ... and a newpaper article isn't going to do shit - I've seen articles on 'underground' music so many times - of many different scenes - and the insiders perception of an 'outsider' reporting on the scene is always different than the way a 'normal' percieves the article... most likely someone reading about dubstep in the paper isn't gonna give two hoots...


point is that people are in this because something about it grabbed them, and to me, thats good enough --- because I don't really see dubstep as a terribly accessible sound... It might be growing exponentially -- but thats because its touching people worldwide (which is a significantly larger population ratio than that of London) but still -- the people worldwide that are into the shit are of a common ilk-- something about the music grabbed them... otherwise why bother???? making money off dubstep??---"cashing in"??? pleeeeease!!! If anyone wants to invest in dubstep to make money I have some land in Florida I am selling... (pm me)

These 'end of dubstep' posts are a little too much - they reek of cultural panic and millenialism ...

"what we need to do is"... NO!! you really have no control over anything! How are you going to prevent music from being made?! Stop making wobble?! Good Luck! This isn't going to happen -- like what you like! Be your own taste maker! There is too much attachment to the dubstep scene - it is as if people have their very own sense of personal identity attached to the scene so much so that their very egos are under attack by a change within the scene... RELAX there are too many armchair commentators on the state of the scene that speak in utter generality and vagueness when complaining about what plagues 'the scene' -- to me it seems to be a golden age!!

now sit back and enjoy the ride

signed,

patiently awaiting my copies of gorgon sound, HBD's globetrotting, and dub police's license to thrill

different strokes for dubstep folks

[ashley]

These 'end of dubstep' posts are a little too much - they reek of cultural panic and millenialism ...

This wasnt made intentionally as a "dubstep is gonna die thread" but just a discussion on how the Burial album will impact the scene.

[slothrop]

whatever happened to ---- "it's brock out time!!" ??? I feel like I am catching the general vibe that everyone loves a huge stonking tune and at the same time they hate it!!! ... I mean... I hate to point fingers but..

I remember a specific BAPS where the very first tune they played was Rusko's 'Hammertime' and Boomnoise himself enthusiastically declared that it was indeed "brockout time" ... but then went on to interview Reso later in the show where the topic of dancefloor bangers was discussed as a sort of danger to "the scene"...

Everyone loves a huge stonking tune but not everyone loves two hour sets consisting of nothing but quite similar sounding huge stonking tunes. Basically.

[slothrop]

But what about stuff that's deep and fast and happy vs stuff that's deep and fast and emo. Bugger, that's another couple of subdivisions.

Deep dubstep in a rave or dubstep night dosent really work imo, too slow and not enough to get the crowd going. eg. Scuba

Could you tell me which nights you go to so I can avoid them? Thx.

[ozols man]

ah man wots with this wishful thinking, lets be realistic now. like wot the geeza said in the other thread, once the main constituency of dubstep fans r all students, u know the scenes in the problem area. but as i say its the natural evolution of music, instead of trying to preserve the precious scene and music its all about trying to evolve it in a new way

[ozols man]

oh yeh jolly wailer ur a fuckin don! never heard so much sense in a long time

[jolly wailer]

These 'end of dubstep' posts are a little too much - they reek of cultural panic and millenialism ...

This wasnt made intentionally as a "dubstep is gonna die thread" but just a discussion on how the Burial album will impact the scene.

I mean yeah - to take two steps back from my 'relax' rebuttal.. I geniunely acknowledge and sympathize with your viewpoint - to protect your scene... something that you've worked for, promoted and cultivated through love alone.. this is something to be naturally protective of

as a poster who is not from London -let alone from the UK- I have found it hard to be as passionate about the music as I am but still not necessarily embraced personally by the folks who comprise 'the scene' (my own forum manners aside)

In many ways I feel like it really is 'your scene' as in, dubstep definitly has an in-crowd that I sense is somewhat dificult to penetrate.. or at least has some sensible quality-control measures in place..

although that said.. the scene, now hyper driven by the internet (let alone press coverage) is largely, largely out of your hands, although still in your hands.. get me??? its still London music - even though now many folks outernationally "want in" - or in some way are feeling the music and wish to express themselves in the dubstep mileau...

i don't know - you have more people who want to get in on this sound - you have the old guard holding up their standards of what is 'real' in the realm of dubstep.. what you have is the sound clash writ large.. sonic warfare on a global scale -- who's in and who's out? who decides?

[jolly wailer]

oh yeh jolly wailer ur a fuckin don! never heard so much sense in a long time

your time

[incyde]

Deep dubstep in a rave or dubstep night dosent really work imo, too slow and not enough to get the crowd going. eg. Scuba

Oh no you didn't!

Its the end.

[ashley]

These 'end of dubstep' posts are a little too much - they reek of cultural panic and millenialism ...

This wasnt made intentionally as a "dubstep is gonna die thread" but just a discussion on how the Burial album will impact the scene.

I mean yeah - to take two steps back from my 'relax' rebuttal.. I geniunely acknowledge and sympathize with your viewpoint - to protect your scene... something that you've worked for, promoted and cultivated through love alone.. this is something to be naturally protective of

as a poster who is not from London -let alone from the UK- I have found it hard to be as passionate about the music as I am but still not necessarily embraced personally by the folks who comprise 'the scene' (my own forum manners aside)

In many ways I feel like it really is 'your scene' as in, dubstep definitly has an in-crowd that I sense is somewhat dificult to penetrate.. or at least has some sensible quality-control measures in place..

although that said.. the scene, now hyper driven by the internet (let alone press coverage) is largely, largely out of your hands, although still in your hands.. get me??? its still London music - even though now many folks outernationally "want in" - or in some way are feeling the music and wish to express themselves in the dubstep mileau...

i don't know - you have more people who want to get in on this sound - you have the old guard holding up their standards of what is 'real' in the realm of dubstep.. what you have is the sound clash writ large.. sonic warfare on a global scale -- who's in and who's out? who decides?

You hit the nail bang on the head, that is exactly how most people feel and react.

Nice words.

[dubplate]

Deep dubstep in a rave or dubstep night dosent really work imo, too slow and not enough to get the crowd going. eg. Scuba

Oh no you didn't!

Its the end.

lol just in my opinion. Ive seen a few dubstep dj's and they've all been amazing and got the crowd going like caspa, benga and skream but when i saw scuba and gravious the dubstep was deep and slow, not the kind of thing you want from a night out. Burial's new album is fucking good but i wouldent want to hear it in a club, maybe this is why he dosent dj live?

[quadrophonic]

Burial's new album is fucking good but i wouldent want to hear it in a club, maybe this is why he dosent dj live?

I dunno about you ... but I thought Kode 9 doin burial mix at Fwd last friday was pretty special - one of best things i've heard