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UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

XOR wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

jim wrote:Funny that 2 step garage was about 1000 times more succesfull than dubstep in its day

haha, exactly. how many dubstep hits in the top 40 so far?

Which is exactly what this thread is about I'd've said. The deeper the music, the further away from the charts it becomes. The more dubstep becomes focused on concise generic structures, big 'hooky' riffs, big drops and jump-up tracks, the more acceptable to the mainstream and to commerce it becomes.

sorry i should've stated, that was simply a response to the assertion that dubstep lost the swing because most people find halfstep easier to dance to. which is clearly contradicted by the popularity of 2 step garage in the clubs and in the charts way back when.

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UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

XOR wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

jim wrote:Funny that 2 step garage was about 1000 times more succesfull than dubstep in its day

haha, exactly. how many dubstep hits in the top 40 so far?

Which is exactly what this thread is about I'd've said. The deeper the music, the further away from the charts it becomes. The more dubstep becomes focused on concise generic structures, big 'hooky' riffs, big drops and jump-up tracks, the more acceptable to the mainstream and to commerce it becomes.

sorry i should've stated, that was simply a response to the assertion that dubstep lost the swing because most people find halfstep easier to dance to. which is clearly contradicted by the popularity of 2 step garage in the clubs and in the charts way back when.

Good point!

I think it's about the different audiences though. What I mean is lot of people who are getting into dubstep have negative associations with the 2 step thing. People hear that slinky beat and think it sounds 'gay' or like 'chav music' or something. I don't think it is too bold to suggest that there is a certain amount of snobbery amongst some dubstep fans nowadays. Maybe if we adjusted my theory to suggest that of the people who find dubstep acceptable according to their aesthetic sensibilities, many of them would not like 2 step precisely because it sounds like that popular stuff that was always in the charts?

i-line wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

XOR wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

jim wrote:Funny that 2 step garage was about 1000 times more succesfull than dubstep in its day

haha, exactly. how many dubstep hits in the top 40 so far?

Which is exactly what this thread is about I'd've said. The deeper the music, the further away from the charts it becomes. The more dubstep becomes focused on concise generic structures, big 'hooky' riffs, big drops and jump-up tracks, the more acceptable to the mainstream and to commerce it becomes.

sorry i should've stated, that was simply a response to the assertion that dubstep lost the swing because most people find halfstep easier to dance to. which is clearly contradicted by the popularity of 2 step garage in the clubs and in the charts way back when.

Good point!

I think it's about the different audiences though. What I mean is lot of people who are getting into dubstep have negative associations with the 2 step thing. People hear that slinky beat and think it sounds 'gay' or like 'chav music' or something. I don't think it is too bold to suggest that there is a certain amount of snobbery amongst some dubstep fans nowadays. Maybe if we adjusted my theory to suggest that of the people who find dubstep acceptable according to their aesthetic sensibilities, many of them would not like 2 step precisely because it sounds like that popular stuff that was always in the charts?

All those kind of people should be put in a rocket and shot into the sun though, so who gives a fuck what they think?

i-line wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

XOR wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

jim wrote:Funny that 2 step garage was about 1000 times more succesfull than dubstep in its day

haha, exactly. how many dubstep hits in the top 40 so far?

Which is exactly what this thread is about I'd've said. The deeper the music, the further away from the charts it becomes. The more dubstep becomes focused on concise generic structures, big 'hooky' riffs, big drops and jump-up tracks, the more acceptable to the mainstream and to commerce it becomes.

sorry i should've stated, that was simply a response to the assertion that dubstep lost the swing because most people find halfstep easier to dance to. which is clearly contradicted by the popularity of 2 step garage in the clubs and in the charts way back when.

Good point!

I think it's about the different audiences though. What I mean is lot of people who are getting into dubstep have negative associations with the 2 step thing. People hear that slinky beat and think it sounds 'gay' or like 'chav music' or something. I don't think it is too bold to suggest that there is a certain amount of snobbery amongst some dubstep fans nowadays. Maybe if we adjusted my theory to suggest that of the people who find dubstep acceptable according to their aesthetic sensibilities, many of them would not like 2 step precisely because it sounds like that popular stuff that was always in the charts?

Lol, you're right. It was just a theory though. Might I suggest that the rocket be playing Sweet Like Chocolate and Rewind Selecta on constant repeat ?

jim wrote:

I think it's about the different audiences though. What I mean is lot of people who are getting into dubstep have negative associations with the 2 step thing. People hear that slinky beat and think it sounds 'gay' or like 'chav music' or something. I don't think it is too bold to suggest that there is a certain amount of snobbery amongst some dubstep fans nowadays. Maybe if we adjusted my theory to suggest that of the people who find dubstep acceptable according to their aesthetic sensibilities, many of them would not like 2 step precisely because it sounds like that popular stuff that was always in the charts?

All those kind of people should be put in a rocket and shot into the sun though, so who gives a fuck what they think?

Harsh but fair.

But seriously, I don't think there's less deep / interesting / mental / envelope pushing stuff around, it's just that there's a lot more upfront stuff around. So you may have three or four dubstep records that you really like out of 578 released this month whereas three or four years ago you would have had three or four you liked out of four dubstep records released that month. Shackleton or Peverelist may not be getting the audiences that the really big crowd pleasers are getting, but I reckon the sort of audience numbers they get these days would have been a really big result even for the biggest DJs back in the day.

So for most of us, I think it's probably more productive to talk about who's good and who's doing the right stuff and big them up and make them known (since there are loads of DJ's playing really good stuff who you might assume is just another anthem-bashing local no-hoper or whatever and not bother checking out unless someone clued you in) than to complain about the people who you think should be doing something other than what they are doing.

That's something good that's coming out of this thread, imo.

i do love a good discussion. these sort of threads .. are just to appease my curiosity....

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jim wrote:

i-line wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote:

XOR wrote:

UmkhontoWeSizwe wrote: haha, exactly. how many dubstep hits in the top 40 so far?

Which is exactly what this thread is about I'd've said. The deeper the music, the further away from the charts it becomes. The more dubstep becomes focused on concise generic structures, big 'hooky' riffs, big drops and jump-up tracks, the more acceptable to the mainstream and to commerce it becomes.

sorry i should've stated, that was simply a response to the assertion that dubstep lost the swing because most people find halfstep easier to dance to. which is clearly contradicted by the popularity of 2 step garage in the clubs and in the charts way back when.

Good point!

I think it's about the different audiences though. What I mean is lot of people who are getting into dubstep have negative associations with the 2 step thing. People hear that slinky beat and think it sounds 'gay' or like 'chav music' or something. I don't think it is too bold to suggest that there is a certain amount of snobbery amongst some dubstep fans nowadays. Maybe if we adjusted my theory to suggest that of the people who find dubstep acceptable according to their aesthetic sensibilities, many of them would not like 2 step precisely because it sounds like that popular stuff that was always in the charts?

All those kind of people should be put in a rocket and shot into the sun though, so who gives a fuck what they think?

haha, definitely!

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tbh i think people are analyzing the music too much. if you spend all day complaining about shit releases, you're bound to get wound up and focus on the negative.

don't pay so much attention - let the good tunes suprise you, ignore the ones you don't like.

people are still making sick tunes, they're just harder to find cos of the volume of releases

£10 Bag wrote:tbh i think people are analyzing the music too much. if you spend all day complaining about shit releases, you're bound to get wound up and focus on the negative.

don't pay so much attention - let the good tunes suprise you, ignore the ones you don't like.

people are still making sick tunes, they're just harder to find cos of the volume of releases

Word.

well as soon as possible really..

*DeCiBella~~ wrote:as long as we've got Mala in dubstep - everything will be okay...

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XOR wrote:

£10 Bag wrote:tbh i think people are analyzing the music too much. if you spend all day complaining about shit releases, you're bound to get wound up and focus on the negative.

don't pay so much attention - let the good tunes suprise you, ignore the ones you don't like.

people are still making sick tunes, they're just harder to find cos of the volume of releases

Word.

Got to disagree to a certain extent. Some people, who will remain nameless, who used to make sick tunes and play sick dj sets are now creating and playing stuff that is quite below their level because of putting too much of a premium on the banginess of a tune and neglecting other areas. They're still making good music, but not as good as they're capable of.

*Grand* wrote:more emo stuff.

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When someone mixes Moss Icon and Rites of Spring with garage, gimme a call!

*Grand* wrote:you see.. those are the names that come to mind... but burial.. i dunno about the whole mystifying thing... he is more on an emo vibe.. if anything... and mala.. still got those tunes.. but stil he been on the lovely deep medi vibe.. which don't get you thinking about exotic spices.. far away lands.. and creatures that only your imagination can conjure up....

don't know about burial being on an emo vibe.. emos are all vain as fuck and self-obsessed, am i right? ..nobody knows who burial is. don't wana worship him that much but bit degrading to say that, if you're talking about soulful vocals and such then that's just standard garage influence.. nothing emo about being soulful.

for real.. i don't mean emo as in silt wrist i mean emo as in emotional music.. such gieom reminiscing, mala, Alicia, ete, etc... heart felt tunes..

great thread.

i also started a thread of this ilk a few months back, but ended up getting crucified for suggesting that there was a mainstream within the scene and that there are "real" dubstep fans. bad choice of words as it panned out but this is exactly what I was half-cut rambling on about.

what I have noticed more and more frequently is that most bigger names just rinse out the newest double-time hyped-up 2-drop banger-anthems while all the hobby dj's lurking on this and other forums tend to make beautiful, deep, progressive mixes.

i think it's a club vs. home listening issue. most regular charvs can't understand that clubbing can also be about deep, progressive vibes and not just finger-pointing, bass-faces and rewinds. and unfortunatly, the charvs rule clubland. (but i also love a good brock-out, just not for 5 hours straight).

so let's do something about it - as stated, support what/who you like and ignore the rest. vary the tempo.

peas and rice.

yeah innit its just about supportin the people you wanna see, and if you don't like a set then just ignore it, there's been a few times where i've been thinking "I really don't feel to brock out and shout a lot for two hours during this set" so i just go outside and smoke and chat to people etc. until its done, then come back in and see the DJ i wanted to see

*Grand* wrote:and mala.. still got those tunes.. but stil he been on the lovely deep medi vibe.. which don't get you thinking about exotic spices.. far away lands.. and creatures that only your imagination can conjure up....

as far as it being a cyclical nature is concerned, nothing ever goes back to its place exactly the way it started .. but i do notice a lot of producers who have released sick bangers in the past take a step back from the big painting and loosen up some of the grasp on technical elements .. they're definitely adjusting their focus back on fundamentals and creating more of the goosebump-inducing selections that made me fall in love with the sound. and the deep tunes are out there .. thankfully, NOW we've got crates and crates of dubstep to search through after 5-6 years worth of amazing work. it's come a long way in a short time and the variety and progression in creativity is one that is a truly remarkable feat of dedication to the music. i agree wholeheartedly that dj's have a high degree of responsibility for the way the sound gets expressed to the audience .. you facilitators .. it's not all about bangers & mash .. hit the books