balkan/gypsy/whatever

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:39 pm

ok
will make it simple, sorry if it seemed beef to you. I never tought that my english is something hard to understand.

i even spell words not corectly

Balkan music as a term does not exist except in the massmedia and popular stream culture.
here is what wikipedia says, it kind of covers what i point like history:
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=wikipedia&page ... FMain_Page

so if u like Gypsy music, say i like gypsy music, not Balkan music because if u come to my country u will never hear the modern thing u heard or whatever. We have pure folklor music and i have some records with it.

maybe it is better now.

raposanegra · Post by **raposanegra** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:00 pm

Yep it's much better now..

Well but the people who make this so called "Balkan Beats", they call it that because they want... not because the mass media says...

It's probably called Balkan Beats because it as some music influences from that area...

That's my thought...

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:03 pm

esoundc wrote: http://www.ask.com/bar?q=wikipedia&page ... FMain_Page

here is the better link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_music

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:16 pm

RaposaNegra wrote: Well but the people who make this so called "Balkan Beats", they call it that because they want... not because the mass media says...

yes but this people are inventing myth that massmedia is getting bigger and it hypes the world, this myth is based on late history and have nothing to do with the real music here. Goran Bregovich done few soundtracks, named them, and now it is a style. The music on Balkans does not sound like that, i mentioned that.

It's probably called Balkan Beats because it as some music influences from that area...

no, it is imported sound, nothing to do with natives, i put the better link to wikipedia u may read it now.

raposanegra · Post by **raposanegra** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:36 pm

But for example check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Brass_Band

It says "Though it was a military instrument to wake and gather soldiers and announce battles, the trumpet took on the role of entertainment during downtime, as soldiers used it to transpose popular folk songs. When war ended and they returned to their hometowns, the music entered civilian life. Eventually, Gypsies mastered and adopted the tradition, adding more complicated rhythms and melodies and soon the music could be heard all over the Balkans."

There's always a reference to the Balkans when they talk about Gypsies..

I'm not from the Balkans but I have this idea that this kind of music, is from the countries of the Balkan Peninsula...

I use both names: Balkan music and Gypsy Music.... but here in Portugal if I ask someone "Do you like Balkan music'" they don't know what that is... but if I say "Do you like GYPSY music?" they know what I'm talking about... but they might confuse that with "Spanish gypsy music"

So I think you can call it GYPSY music if you want to talk about ALL gypsy music, but there's a difference between BALKAN gypsy music and SPANISH gypsy music for example...

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:14 pm

RaposaNegra wrote:But for example check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Brass_Band

Gypsies mastered and adopted the tradition, adding more complicated rhythms and melodies and soon the music could be heard all over the Balkans."[/i]

There's always a reference to the Balkans when they talk about Gypsies..

I'm not from the Balkans but I have this idea that this kind of music, is from the countries of the Balkan Peninsula...

before i posted the article i read it, and it totally fits what i was explaining, Otoman Empire brings Gypsyes here which was 13.. year, but the gypsy's are there slave and whatch for the army horses, so they do not make better our bulgarian folklor or some of the country's around, actually they will not so many at that time, they done it for the ottomans by thier will. So it is quite not honest to say that this is Balkan music just because native folks here allready have some collosal Folklor history and Folklor is more than music of and tribe, it is story's myth's , clothes, rituals, calendars and alphabet + .....
another big problem is what u pointed : Everybody thinks that the Balkans are Gypsy teritotory, well not it is not, but it will be

. I allready write why that will hapen, there are also a lot of EU laws pressing us, and give new oportunitys by gyspyes. It is really sad that all Europe is pissed about crimes by bulgarians who are actually gypsyes. So one day peole will be really amazed when i say, well i'm bulgarian because i do not look like Balkan type.

But i'm actual one.

but what i'm talking about, after a 500 years of ottoman slavery now the global new time radicals says there was no slavery, what and crap, the same one's that reperesent Balkan music party's in Sofia.

raposanegra · Post by **raposanegra** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:31 pm

sorry to ear that... =X

But hey... check my new track "Kommunist Rooster"

I would define it as "Balkan Beats" but if you want I can call it "Gypsy Beats"...

www.myspace.com/calibat

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:14 pm

RaposaNegra wrote:sorry to ear that... =X

But hey... check my new track "Kommunist Rooster"

I would define it as "Balkan Beats" but if you want I can call it "Gypsy Beats"...

www.myspace.com/calibat

i saw u are really into what you do, and hearing it now, it is not my style, no it is not bad, i'm just into other music.

Balkan music term is just like PR , but PR is fake journalistic so dunno, for me it is just late days modern hype, Gypsy music sounds really more honest to, and then it may come to explanation u pointed about different music form parts of the world, that's like because of the absorbtion of music from newcomers. Blkan music is not honest global term for a just small type of Otomanic Gypsy music becasue of other older music aspects and hystory like Astronomical music and culture existable here, thats why i pointed Orpheus, the guy who even animals loved.

also one more thing, in so called eastern block we do not have communism, it is called like that but it was actual totalitarism. Thtas different.
it is other story then.

ghandi · Post by **ghandi** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:25 pm

Gun Crime wrote:I stumbled upon this Balkan Booty and Gyspytech mix a while back - its totally rocking:

http://tnieuwewerck.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... bejak.html

It's totally bonkers! Sounds like it was mixed by... John Peel

btw, this threads got some legs, don't she?

'Balkan Hop':
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... =belly+hop

raposanegra · Post by **raposanegra** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:28 pm

Yeah but I'm not communist lol

Well yeah I'm really into the Balkan Beats music... it started when I discovered Balkan Beat box, one of my favorite bands! (and they are not even from the Balkans) lol

I think the combination of Balkan music (gypsy music as you like) with electronic it's just BOMBASTIC! =)

BTW i know this is stupid but do you know what language is the girl of the sample I used in my track speaking? lol
Some parts you won't understand because I just reversed the voice so she's basically saying nothing...

staas · Post by **staas** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:42 am

even though the term balkan music being talked about as one whole is not accurate it always happens, like people talk alot about african music but the styles in zimbabwe are very different from those of ghana you know... it's just that people are confused are by music from other regions and need simple terms for it to make sense

i listened to the music linked,it's not bad but i think it could use more energy, if you like i will have to provide you a wild trumpet solo in the future when my skills are more polished

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:48 am

RaposaNegra wrote:
Well yeah I'm really into the Balkan Beats music... it started when I discovered Balkan Beat box, one of my favorite bands! (and they are not even from the Balkans) lol

thats one of the biggets problems, how they represent soemthing without living here, then they do not know even what life here looks like, i know know, they read books and see on tv and movies. It end up again to some movies like "Black Cat ,White Cat" and "Undergound."
it is the same for us here, we see movies and think WOW, the West is really cool, but it is not like what you see on the pictures.

RaposaNegra wrote: BTW i know this is stupid but do you know what language is the girl of the sample I used in my track speaking? lol
Some parts you won't understand because I just reversed the voice so she's basically saying nothing...

since i told u i know gypsy kids, but they use different language that cannot be traced, i think it is kind of modulated ottomanic, might be, they do not have alphabet so it is really hard to follow what ever.

raposanegra · Post by **raposanegra** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:12 pm

esoundc wrote:
RaposaNegra wrote:
Well yeah I'm really into the Balkan Beats music... it started when I discovered Balkan Beat box, one of my favorite bands! (and they are not even from the Balkans) lol
thats one of the biggets problems, how they represent soemthing without living here, then they do not know even what life here looks like, i know know, they read books and see on tv and movies. It end up again to some movies like "Black Cat ,White Cat" and "Undergound."
it is the same for us here, we see movies and think WOW, the West is really cool, but it is not like what you see on the pictures.

Well yes but they want to give the idea that the kind of music they make have Balkan influences... which I think it's true.

When you say that in the WEST we have the idea that the Balkans are like in the Kusturica films - well I don't have that idea!

I know you are civilized like the west countries and it should be great to travel to the Balkan countries... it has a lot of culture and history...

I've been in Czech Republic (I know it's not in the Balkans but I think the people are similar) and I loved it! And I wasn't just in Prague, I stayed for more than 1 week in the countryside... in the middle of nowhere and it was beautiful! =D

Check this photo I took:

love this ppl

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:10 pm

RaposaNegra wrote:
Well yes but they want to give the idea that the kind of music they make have Balkan influences... which I think it's true.

is is like an endless spining in circle, ok it is not thru because the "Balkan" beats as u know them are "import" production by Ottomans and played on their will by the slaved Gypsys. It made them majestic and all that, u know. That was writen a lot of times, so dunno how to explain it.

today i saw a gypsy in bulgarian traditional clothing playing bagpipe but clean bulgarian music, dunno, they might like to be bulgarians.

my advice is, travel around here and read just a bit for that part of the worlds hystory, it is bloody and messy especially after 1900, then u might understand why peole like me, locals, natives or however are really against quick sensations like that we are talking over like for like 6 pages.

i told u hate noone, but some things in life shall be equal at all, when some of us go to work and pay taxes and beeing rip off by goverment, other are busking on the streets with kids and have social money for growing 10 kids into the garbage, well yes, every city here has a gypsy neighbourhood, so try to find and visit that one. It is not fun at all. It is called mentality.

raposanegra · Post by **raposanegra** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:24 pm

Well there are gypsies here too... they are all over Europe as you know...

I don't know much about gypsy culture but I don't hate them for not paying taxes or whatever ... but they shouldn't get social help either...

I think no one should be obligated to pay taxes... if you want to live free, plant what you eat, wear what you make, etc you should have that right!

I know gypsies are not the most honest people but that's their problem...

If one day I want to live in the countryside, plant my food, take care of my animals, etc... I wish that no one deny me that!

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:46 pm

esoundc wrote: i told u hate noone

thats wrong spelled, wanted to say I hate no one, u shall ...

sory for mistake.

serious i know what u mean and a lot of people are going back to that trying to avoid the mass production and capitalist world, it is alternative kind off, but anyway, the systems is like that if own the land u got to pay goverment for it, and u need your own land to grow vegetables.

the thing is before we try to avoid the system we got to have an new social arangment to avoid the chaos. Anarchism is kind of good, but some things in it i disagree with, indeed the private property is one of them.

raposanegra · Post by **raposanegra** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:05 pm

esoundc wrote: the thing is before we try to avoid the system we got to have an new social arangment to avoid the chaos. Anarchism is kind of good, but some things in it i disagree with, indeed the private property is one of them.

I don't disagree with private property because I mean, imagine you build a house... it's yours! No one has the right to enter your house if you don't want to... but if we put this in a larger scale the things go different: Why do we need a paper to go to some countries? How can someone denies me to live for example in Bulgaria? I am a citizen of the WORLD. I should be able to live wherever I want (without disrespecting the other's private property)

I know I'm confusing a lot but some things are hard to explain... even harder when you try to explain in other language lol

esoundc · Post by **esoundc** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:40 pm

eine knapp einstündige doku über grenzen, eu-osterweiterung, roma - aus der perspektive der menschen, denen wir auf unserer reise begegnet sind.
Ak Kraak 2004, 60 min engl, dt

http://www.akkraak.org/
it is German and on videotape, but it hit the exact thema, Borders.

i agree with you on points, but it is not us who control the planet.

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