digital release vs physical

[dubstepper]

I know you guys want to stay true to the art form, but jeez that doesn't mean you have to make a ton of the music almost inaccessible to us on the other side of the ocean. Spread the music, spread the art form, and lets get a movement going.

i live in the states and usually make at least one purchase a month from redeyerecords.co.uk

a single 12" generally costs $7.50 and the $3 shipping you get from that site is cheaper than ANY domestic shipping you can find. stop complaining and start SPREADING THE MUSIC by supporting the record labels by BUYING their music!!! If everyone ripped shit off the internet like you do then there wouldn't be any dubstep.

Exactly... it would be different if I were telling people to buy music while I was in the process of checking my Utorrent for whether or not my latest tunes had a good ratio. It really is an example of human greed and a sense of entitlement. We see it every day, but people who supposedly are supporting and caring about music are advocating the stealing of that music. And you will note those that are saying it is perfectly fine to steal are the same ones who have a problem with my advocating for taking those people to task.

I'm not being a hypocrite here though. Our label even pays to license our samples that appear in tunes, otherwise they don't come out. We are 100% opposed to violating property rights of artists and labels. I don't see how someone can come here, to a site full of these artists and labels and admit to stealing. You walk into a store and admit to stealing a CD they will throw your ass in jail. HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT?

I will tell you how it is different. If i buy a vinyl and decide to rip it to mp3 and i upload it to sendspace for you or any1 else to download, i feel that is so different from stealing a cd in a shop, because i have paid for my vinyl so if i want to share it i will. That can't be classed as theft. But if i walk in to a store and steal a cd or vinyl then that is stealing obviously. Its different if say i rip a track from some1s myspace that would be classed as stealing. But simply ripping a vinyl you or i have paid for and sharing is not stealing in any way shape or form. I mean i rip most of my vinyl so when they are all battered up in 5 10 years time or what not i will still have fresh copys to play/mix, i allso like playing my ripped vinyl on my pc when i am browsing working ect. I allso upload some of my paid for vinyl to sendspace and give the link to my brother coz he likes dubstep but has no decks. I hope you aint gonna call me or my bro a thief?

[Horza]

Back to how this started, surely it makes more economic sense to release a song on as many formats as possible?

Example DMZ tunes, most will not see a repress and when they do they will get snapped but by people who will hold on to sell at a later date for a large amount of cash.

Where as if those tunes were released on Flac\MP3\Wav\Porcelain (haha) I imagine the amount of purchases would be astronomical!

I for one would love to own lot of these tunes but the only way I could ever get them is buy paying an asshole on Ebay\Discogs 30 or more quid!

And then obviously there is the choice of downloading illegally, which to be honest you've left your fans no choice when you could be making money to help carry on your label. Yes it may only be a few quid but sell 3 songs a week for the 52 weeks of the year and it does add up.

Oh and before people start I haven't downloaded the DMZ back catalog, and if they ever did get released I would purchase them on the spot!

Please dont think I meant this post to be directed specifically towards DMZ I really didnt, I was just using them as a typical example.

Anyone wants to know how its done.... check out Hyperdub! Vinyl purists will still buy vinyls but the market is changing and the labels not changing with it are only not helping themselves when there are people waiting, debit cards in hands forentire back catalogs to be released digitally!

If people love the songs so much and can't purchase they really have no other choice but to download illegally.

Hope I haven't waffled to much. Oh and by the way I DJ using vinyl

[spencertron]

Vinyl is furniture...

i'd like to see someone try to sit on 300 mp3's

[surface_tension]

When you buy a piece of vinyl or an MP3 you are buying a license for that tune and are legally allowed to make ONE copy for YOUR use only. That is the law of almost every non-third world country. For good reason. Piracy costs billions a year, it's no joke.

One of the guys signed to our label is an ASCAP publisher. You know... like those people that are the guy to go to when you are responsible and actually clear your samples... so we take copyright violations seriously.

For the record, I also rip my own vinyl. Every time I buy a new record, I rip it immediately and generally don't play the vinyl itself unless I am playing out. That is completely legitimate. I have that right and so do you. You do not have the right to transfer that recording to someone else. It is illegal. You may be fine with breaking the law and that is your perogative--but that doesn't change the fact that it is illegal. There's nothing to argue about here. The law is pretty clear.

And yes, laws are, in fact BLACK AND WHITE. Your moral code might have shades of grey, but the law doesn't on this issue. It is what it is. I'm frankly done discussing it. If you passed on something you don't own the publishing rights to or hold a copyright for, you have violated the law.

Again, whether or not you care is up to you. Whether or not you broke the law is up to the wording of the copyright laws. And they say thievery.

Peace.

[surface_tension]

Vinyl is furniture...

i'd like to see someone try to sit on 300 mp3's

LOL. Soda out of nasal passage. Good one.

[bunjcore]

ye canny cuddle a mp3 liiike!

[fused_forces]

Physical all day long, weather its vinyl or CD.

[thinking]

Example DMZ tunes, most will not see a repress and when they do they will get snapped but by people who will hold on to sell at a later date for a large amount of cash.

Where as if those tunes were released on Flac\MP3\Wav\Porcelain (haha) I imagine the amount of purchases would be astronomical!

DMZ001-009 have been available for years:

www.bleep.com/?label=DMZ






btw strictly speaking, making a copy of a record or CD is actually not legal in the UK under copyright law - although infringements are not normally prosecuted. The UK does not have any equivalent of 'Fair Use' such as is found in the US.

www.ukmusic.org/page/faqs

Under UK law any act of copying that takes place without the authorisation of the copyright holder is illegal (the UK is one of the few countries in the European Union without an exception for private copying or a "blank tape" levy system).

www.out-law.com/page-6919

[surface_tension]

Physical all day long, weather its vinyl or CD.

I am actually down for CD's. I want to hold something in my hand, have art and a sleeve to look at and collect... etc. It's a package deal. I know I value that differently than some people maybe, but for me, nothing beats it. I remember when I used to buy CD's all the time and would love to see the different fonts, art, text in general... the lyrics, the producer name, where the samples come from, etc..

that is the way forward, IMO.

@Thinking... educational.

[tercerojista]

I love vinyl, and I own a lot of records. But they take up a lot of space, they weigh a ton, and you can't take them with you when you go abroad (yeah, ok, you can, but it'll cost you a lot of money...).

When I picked up 'Do you mind' from BM Soho, the guy said to me: "yeah we're getting more and more requests for that kind of thing, but nobody's really pressing too many tunes like this at the moment." He said they'd talked to some of the producers about the prospect of just selling CDs, but he added that he'd prefer to sell vinyl. To which I replied: "Yeah, but if the producers themselves are all using CD decks to play these tunes out, then surely it doesn't make much sense for the rest of us to be buying vinyl." We clearly didn't see eye to eye.

This is a topic that will continue to divide rooms full of music lovers. I've just downloaded half a gig of tunes that I bought from turntablelab: most of them would be difficult to come by in a record shop. And when you think of hip hop tunes with acapellas and instrumentals, then it works out far cheaper to buy a digital copy than two copies of the same vinyl. I am actually beginning to wonder if I once had more money than sense: although I continue to buy vinyl and still don't own digital decks, I feel increasingly drawn to the cheaper, more portable downloads. It's only a matter of time before I get some CDJs.