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Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:19 pm
by seckle
speak braille wrote:How are you sure that every person commenting some form of negative comment is a customer? Sounds to me like those people are most likely just trying to get some sort of ire started for the sake of it.
add to that, the fact that google wants the troll comments on videos. they would love 150 pages of bullshit comments. every single page of that, google makes money. its amazing how much entitlement people expect in the world of digital music. its based on a lot of people with nothing to lose.
you wouldn't go into a vinyl record shop, and hurl abuse at the staff about a producer, or a label. they wouldn't give a shit, and would tell you to gtfo. i don't walk into a bookstore and go buy a bukowski book, and then tell the publisher to go fuck themselves too.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:20 pm
by Motorway to Roswell
seckle wrote:i don't walk into a bookstore and go buy a bukowski book, and then tell the publisher to go fuck themselves too.
you might if you're a fan of bukowski
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:24 pm
by jsml
cratedigger wrote:Kode9 is notorious for being on the other end of the abuse stick, in case you didn't know. He doesn't deserve Burial.
(i've met kode9 and he's actually a true gent, he just isn't afraid to tell the 'OMGBURIALZZZZZZ' crew to fuck off. which i think is good personally. people get
silly over burial's music.)
and where would burial be without kode9? you wouldn't even have heard of him.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:26 pm
by mIrReN
cratedigger wrote:But how often does a chef come to your house and call you a tnuc for cooking dinner in the same fashion you ate at their restaurant?
why are u giving an example that can't be matched to this situation?
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:27 pm
by pikeymobile
burial was actually about to put music out on warp before hyperdub snapped him up
true story
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:29 pm
by jsml
KODENINE STOLE BURIAL.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:32 pm
by Genevieve
jsml wrote:(i've met kode9 and he's actually a true gent, he just isn't afraid to tell the 'OMGBURIALZZZZZZ' crew to fuck off. which i think is good personally. people get silly over burial's music.)
Actually, it just looks like he's a little pissy about the fact that people are like that about Burial, but not about him. Yeah, Burial has a bunch of rabid fans, so fucking what? Those fans are the reason Hyperdub and hell, Kode9 are relevant these days in the first place so he might as well show a bit more respect to them. Because he seriously looks like a little bitch every time he insults them. 'Wahwah, no one would care about wittle ol' me if it weren't for Burial, waaaah'. I mean, they're annoying little shits, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't justify him being an annoying little shit either.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:33 pm
by speak braille
seckle wrote:speak braille wrote:How are you sure that every person commenting some form of negative comment is a customer? Sounds to me like those people are most likely just trying to get some sort of ire started for the sake of it.
add to that, the fact that google wants the troll comments on videos. they would love 150 pages of bullshit comments. every single page of that, google makes money. its amazing how much entitlement people expect in the world of digital music. its based on a lot of people with nothing to lose.
you wouldn't go into a vinyl record shop, and hurl abuse at the staff about a producer, or a label. they wouldn't give a shit, and would tell you to gtfo. i don't walk into a bookstore and go buy a bukowski book, and then tell the publisher to go fuck themselves too.
Always with the brass tax. Seckle Knows.
Genevieve: I think you are inferring wayyy to much, no need to disrespect a man's integrity because your worked up. Simmer.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:38 pm
by dgibb
Genevieve wrote:mIrReN wrote:(i've met kode9 and he's actually a true gent, he just isn't afraid to tell the 'OMGBURIALZZZZZZ' crew to fuck off. which i think is good personally. people get silly over burial's music.)
Actually, it just looks like he's a little pissy about the fact that people are like that about Burial, but not about him. Yeah, Burial has a bunch of rabid fans, so fucking what? Those fans are the reason Hyperdub and hell, Kode9 are relevant these days in the first place so he might as well show a bit more respect to them. Because he seriously looks like a little bitch every time he insults them. 'Wahwah, no one would care about wittle ol' me if it weren't for Burial, waaaah'. I mean, they're annoying little shits, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't justify him being an annoying little shit either.
Dunno where you get that whiny, "I wish it was me they worshipped" vibe from him. In his sometimes angry retorts, all I've come to understand is that he gets annoyed by people being mental about Burial because they are rabid, insistent, crazy internet weirdos. How exactly has he been an annoying little shit anyway? Because people are constantly messaging Hyperdub and asking when the new vinyl is out, when he CLEARLY wrote 10 minutes earlier that they are having pressing problems? All I see is a guy who created a label, ended up with a very successful artist on it who tends to inspire some crazy and blind behaviour from fans, and is still trying to figure out exactly how to deal with it all. Give the guy a break.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:39 pm
by mIrReN
just why is my name in that quote ^
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:39 pm
by jsml
Genevieve wrote:mIrReN wrote:(i've met kode9 and he's actually a true gent, he just isn't afraid to tell the 'OMGBURIALZZZZZZ' crew to fuck off. which i think is good personally. people get silly over burial's music.)
Actually, it just looks like he's a little pissy about the fact that people are like that about Burial, but not about him. Yeah, Burial has a bunch of rabid fans, so fucking what? Those fans are the reason Hyperdub and hell, Kode9 are relevant these days in the first place so he might as well show a bit more respect to them. Because he seriously looks like a little bitch every time he insults them. 'Wahwah, no one would care about wittle ol' me if it weren't for Burial, waaaah'. I mean, they're annoying little shits, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't justify him being an annoying little shit either.
OK, maybe he is doing more harm than good to his own reputation when he does that. But:
Burial is not the reason Hyperdub and Kode9 are relevant. Obviously he has brought the label a lot of attention but Kode9 is "relevant" because he's a great producer/DJ/label head (personally I
would give a fuck about him if he'd never found Burial, I think his music is 1000x better than Burial's anyway) and I seriously doubt he does it out of jealousy, he has nothing to prove that he hasn't already proved with a back catalogue of amazing releases. Burial isn't even the best thing on Hyperdub.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:40 pm
by jsml
yeah... dunno why your name is there, i said it....
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:42 pm
by dgibb
mIrReN wrote:just why is my name in that quote ^
haha weird. sorry to misattribute!!
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:45 pm
by Genevieve
Oh something went wrong when I removed the tags. Whatever.
Thing is, insulting your customerbase just reeks of being classless. Period. I understand being impatient and annoyed with them, but these people are largely responsible for his label's success and his income. If he doesn't like them he should fucking ignore them or vent some other way.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:49 pm
by huh
I don't care about dubstep or marketing or what other people do.
As far as I am concerned everyone can do what they like, as long as it has consent and thought.
Every artist on hyperdub can think for themselves and the purpose of the label is to support them in what they do and try and help them get an audience for what they do, as their music is great and very honest and it deserves to be popular.
That means that I try and work my hardest to support them, as i'm the only person employed by Hyperdub and i do all I can as i believe in them, which is a crazy thing to do, when everyone thinks music is free now, but i still do.
For me it's a good thing when strange/ honest / emotional/ abstract / dark/ minority music like ours can reach a larger audience as this means we are beating all the other crap music out there and there is some hope for the world.
whats that zen proverb 'do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the masters, seek what they sought' - you get my meaning.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:57 pm
by mIrReN
dgibb wrote:mIrReN wrote:just why is my name in that quote ^
haha weird. sorry to misattribute!!
np
just found it weird as fuck
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:58 pm
by speak braille
Ok then, why don't we flip it? If people are going to speak inflammatory comments insistently, regardless of being given an appropriate and cordial response the first few tries, why do you assume that the business has the desire to sell their wares to such an inhospitable customer?
Not every business has to be modeled on Wal-Mart style blank eyes grinning mouth always Yes Yes Yes. Or whatever the equivalent is where you are from.
I own and run a local business in the small town where I'm from, if a customer comes in a speaks in a derisive way to myself, my customers, my staff, or of my business I am always willing to express my response in whatever manner I see fit, regardless of how PG it may or may not be and then promptly refuse service.
You don't always have to break your back for the lowest common denominator. People respect that far more then spineless servants.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:01 pm
by jsml
yeah, it's acceptable to act "classlessly" when you're dealing with classless people.
and who says these rabid weirdos are responsible for his income? for all we know they could pirate his music.
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:53 pm
by _TraX_
All as a result of the internet having
no quality control.
Did hyperdub just shorten the samples on the website?
I just read that Quietus article and I am always amazed how words can expand on the simplest of things.
Soundcloud
A 45 minute discussion about Burial
Re: Burial - Kindred
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:23 pm
by mondays child
The internet is full of low quality control.
however there are sometimes rays of light if you look for them......
http://soundcloud.com/ghostlight
http://soundcloud.com/ghostek