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butter man wrote:@wolf. ur making a lot of assumptions about me. I do buy music, just not major label, I dont believe the way you think I do about independent and major label artists. I understand artists struggle, refer to my point about businesses closing, just cos someones an artist making music doesnt mean there entitled to live comfortably off it though, there attempting to live a dream, like many other business ventures they might fail, this should force em to sink or swim get innovative with the way they market themselves and make good contacts globally for a start to push there product. I and friends have put on/up a lot of touring bands who grace our coastline, payment, place to crash, food, smoke/drink. So I'm not in the dark about struggling independent artists, just don't think that everyone who sets on this journey is gonna make wether there hearts in it and fully believes in themselves or not. Im a realist, life has made me this way.

And yet again for musicians that only produce on pc and therefore lack means to perform live.. well theres dj'ing ur tracks or getting a copy of live and a controller and trying to performn the tracks live (if the effects on the tracks arent to complex to replicate live) or learn to play a certian aspect of the track, get a drum kit and mic it up with the effects parameters lined up for when it recieves a certain hit (not sure how technically correct that sounds but Im sure you get the drift), In other words INNOVATE. Which is what Im saying people on independent are forced to do. I wish everyone whoever painted a beautiful picture or created a great song could live there life of their art but they cant unless they greoup together and INNOVATE. Like putting on a night to support artists a's music will get work for person B trynna sell his music. The best mode;l of this is the DIY punk scene good peepsd touring and selling merch and records internationally. Maybe other scenes should follow.

garethom wrote:

Lye Form wrote:

garethom wrote: Yeah, there are gonna be people out there putting music out for free, but is it gonna be of a decent quality (talking mastering, presentation, etc.). Any label is gonna want at least costs back eventually..

Mastering costs are a bitch.

Thinking of buying some outboard gear & go on a mastering course(s) to take it all in-house & sell it as a service to raise money for physical releases.

Pretty much what we're gonna be doing with cassette duplication.

Hordes wrote:I find most of dark sky's recent output really boring

garethom wrote:Yep, CD/Cassette release in the next few months, and then gonna be looking at doing a few cassette releases after that.

garethom wrote:Yep, CD/Cassette release in the next few months, and then gonna be looking at doing a few cassette releases after that.

Johoosh wrote:

Hordes wrote:I find most of dark sky's recent output really boring

Peaked here?

Hordes wrote:

Johoosh wrote:

Hordes wrote:I find most of dark sky's recent output really boring

Peaked here?

I loved Neon and Totem and that stuff but it's just starting to get very dull imo

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Laszlo wrote:Dunno, but it's something i'm more than hesitant to type into google images.

Laszlo wrote:lol, inb4 Particle Jim defending the Gracies.