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So this question I pose simply through my observations on what ive dealt with and what I've heard. Please point out if im just completly wrong on this.


After the epic rise of Dubstep that Caspa and Rusko most popularized I noticed how the mnml artists moved in on the music with garage like tunes and really just a blend of the two genres. I didn't know what to call it until recent, I've heard it being dubbed future garage but also millinium garage.

I really fuckin like it or else I wouldnt care to write this but my question is do others see garage influenced dubs or vice verse becoming more and more prominent? Has dubstep brought a pseudorevival of garage? I myself never heard anyone or much of anything about garage up until i discovered the millinie dub. I do see garage to mostly but not entirely have shed the homosexual skin that i disliked in the music. So is the a second coming or is my perception just realizing garage being more popular to blend than in the past.

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David_Dub wrote: im just completly wrong on this.

as far as i understand it, dubstep evolved out of garage a long time ago

i can't comment on when it shed its "homosexual skin" tho

David_Dub wrote:So this question I pose simply through my observations on what iI do see garage to mostly but not entirely have shed the homosexual skin that i disliked in the music.

not really sure what this means exactly? What you didn't like all the RnB remixes and vocal stuff or something? Sounds more like your own preconceptions of the music than any inherent gayness.

The garage revival was always on the cards, I remember writing a review for Hessle Audio 001 (TRG's first release) which said something like "A 2-step revival seem imminent". I think that was about 3 years ago, it took a little while longer than I expected but people are definitely interested in the swing again.

Basically once everyone did the halfstep thing and explored one aspect of the possibilities that dubstep offered, a 'swing' in the opposite direction where people started to explore the rhythmic aspect of dubstep's roots was always going to be likely. Halfstep beats have become one of dubstep most recognizable 'sonic signifiers' or orthodoxies, so the swung beats are a backlash against that perhaps...


Burial and the Roots of Dubstep compilation were definitely catalysts for the movement, as well as long-standing dubstep heads who were aware of the roots of the music and passionate about sharing that with others. Obviously the rise of DJs like Oneman (who was always too good to not become huge) and others who still rep older 2-step alongside fresh dubstep was massively instrumental as well.

It's not about "revival"

people are just finding that swing again, thats all, people call stuff Brackles, Shortstuff, Whistla, Kingthing and myself etc. "Future Garage"

I find it a bit restrictive, and although I love a 2 step beat, I think it's way beyond it's roots and isn't revivalist

you mean i've been listening to cigarette music all this time

Hmmm, to me 2 step as a sound still has a lot of room for exploration, first time round it was pretty experimental then, and i think, ahead of it's time. Also it never really went away, just submerged itself deep underground in the margins waiting to surface again.
When I first heard the sound, it was the likes of Wookie and Todd Edwards, the XMen, El-B and MJ Cole that turned my head, then I started to listen to the mixtapes with all the dubplates.
Not sure what you mean about the 'gayness' ??? I like to try and make tunes that girls will like as well as blokes, I 'aint keen on balls out noise for the sake of it. That's just my perspective, not saying it's right or wrong.
The thing about 2 Step is you can bring all kinds of flavors to the table, plus it has the advantage of being reasonably up tempo so again, the girls can appreciate the soulful/funky element, as well as the myriad of other styles.
At heart, it's also a street music born of the UK, in particular. And has a heavy involvement with pirate radio, just the same as Drum and Bass/Jungle /Hardcore/Rave did.
Big up, it's come around again and is certainly going to stay.

ThinKing wrote:The garage revival was always on the cards, I remember writing a review for Hessle Audio 001 (TRG's first release) which said something like "A 2-step revival seem imminent". I think that was about 3 years ago, it took a little while longer than I expected but people are definitely interested in the swing again.

I'm actually predicting a deep + sparse halfstep revival by late 2010, as a sort of simultaneous backlash against hype midrangey jump up and the percussive clubby funky / wonky / garagey thing. There's kind of a gap in the market at the moment for people bringing back space and slowness.

Allow the homphobia, though.

I always find it kind of funny how people who sound off about 'gay' music are almost always into stuff where 98% of the people at clubs are male.

the revival has been underway for the last few years but there's been alot of red tape holding up the process of legitimately acquiring enough human skin for Martyn to tailor his custom fitted skin coats - supposedly the scene is heavily dependent on skin coats for creative productivity, and the shedding of the skin coats is the reason why garage has been on the back burner the last few years previous

Slothrop wrote:There's kind of a gap in the market at the moment for people bringing back space and slowness.

Yes! Youngsta last few rinse shows have been great for this sound,
That's what was so great about Dubstep (for me) was the space and the 'dub' vibe - your ears were expecting and anticipating what came next in a tune but now you could say that much of current dubstep has 'filled' the space that was in early tunes

you can see the slowing down & space happening in DnB, with DBridge, Intsra:Mental etc

I think there's 3 strains that are fairly evident -
1. Mid range metal/raved up dubstep
2. New Garage/2 step (Ramp,berkane Sol, some Zomby)
3. Minimal/Half step (Kryptic Minds/Headhunter etc) the stuff Youngsta starts his shows with

Bring back the space & slowness

and the homosexual skin quote? WTF?

The sexiness and glamour of garage was real and it attracted girls to the dances -

Fuk the sausage fests that most nights are - that is partly why the swing has returned - need to get more girls on the dancefloor

Bring back pickled eggs, my mate wants tomato sauce for his sandwich but reckons Heinz is too 'midrange' for his tastes. I suggested he fucked off to Sainsbury's and bought the own brand.

Orc's to Chaos Knights move 11 spaces.

please don't let dubolution become a valid or popular word.

computer rock wrote:you mean i've been listening to cigarette music all this time

I will sig this. I don't know why, but I spit out my drink at this. Holy crap.

David_Dub wrote:millinium garage.

no

i'm all for the garage revival, i really like the kind of experimental kind of 2-step that zomby does, and the standard el-b stuff too, i just hate the really really uncharacteristic boring as fuck shite that so many people are playing nowadays.. i wouldn't even know who those tunes are done by, i just know that it's the kind of garage i don't like.

basicly all the old beats by sticky were fucking evil! - this is what garage should have more of sometimes.. heavy heavy bass, really well constructed snappy beats and sexy badgyal vocals.