this north/south london thing.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:25 pm

what's the history of all the beef? is it just wives tales and folklore, or was there some event that went down that started it? why is the dividing line the river thames?

is there east/west london beef as well?

i'm not trying to raise the hornet's nest, but google is not helping me understand this.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:41 pm

local rivalries exist everywhere often by virtue of little more than geographical proximity.

the north / south london thing is just perpetuated by living in a city with a dirty great river cutting it in half.

rivalries exist between each axis of the compass but south usually gets the brunt of antipathy because the rest of london is on the other side of the Thames, including the majority of central london, meaning that a lot of people rarely venture south and believe the grim myths.

To be honest the rivalary is no where near as intense as in other places in the uk, especially when football become involved.

And as you see on this boar,d it's usually just jovial; people repping their ends rather than any real beef.

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:49 pm

Speaking of this, what the hell was that whole North vs South London race thing about? 0.o

Saw a bunch of posters on the tube and that, no idea whats going on there...

diablo · Post by **diablo** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:51 pm

All about South Central San Francisco

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:52 pm

The Wiggle Baron wrote:Speaking of this, what the hell was that whole North vs South London race thing about? 0.o

Saw a bunch of posters on the tube and that, no idea whats going on there...

that was nike exploiting the rivalary.

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:14 pm

they're all southern fairies as far as im concerned

thinking · Post by **thinking** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:23 pm

forensix (mcr) wrote:they're all southern fairies as far as im concerned

watch it you.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:39 pm

forensix (mcr) wrote:they're all southern rosy cheeked cricket players

HE DIDN'T, DID HE?

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:46 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:
forensix (mcr) wrote:they're all southern as far as im concerned
HE DIDN'T, DID HE?

No need mate please edit.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:46 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:
forensix (mcr) wrote:they're all southern and I appreciate them in untold and quite illicit ways
HE DIDN'T, DID HE?

You know I think he did.

Gotta love the edit button

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:04 pm

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:08 pm

boomnoise wrote:

MY APOLOGIES

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:10 pm

and it's all bless.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:12 pm

All sorted Boom. Nothing to see here. Gotta love the edit button

hi-def · Post by **hi-def** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:21 pm

I think the origins of the North/South London thing has something to do with licensed taxi drivers. Traditionally these talk-radio-loving-fat-bellied know it alls are required to chant their mantra 'Sorry guv, I'm not going saarf of the river this time of night' every time someone even whispers Peckham Rye or Vauxhall Cross. I think that's what started it off, back when Sherlock Holmes and Eliza Doolittle were alive and hackney carriages had horses on the front.

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:12 pm

Its a joke ting really. I haven't seen any one lose sleep or get into a fight over it.

South West London is acceptable.

benjybars · Post by **benjybars** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:27 pm

boomnoise wrote:
And as you see on this board it's usually just jovial; people repping their ends rather than any real beef.

you say that boomnoise but trust me anytime i meet anyone from south @ fwd the shank is saying alot...

Nah i actually grew up in south east london (charlton) and moved to north (tottenham) when i was 16 & for me the two are proper, proper different... even so i don't think this leads to much actual north/south beef.. (we were more likely to fight the school down the road than try and have a fight on the other side of the river..)

SE7 / N15 all day!!

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:04 pm

south london is a lot younger than north london - in the sense that it was largely fields/small towns round here 300 years ago, until the gaps were filled in between the centre of london and small conurbations like clapham, croydon, wimbledon etc. anyway historically it's not as big a deal, and the tube map reflects that to an extent (check drumzofthesouth for a cool inverted tube map).

as a result there's a slight sense of 'south london isn't proper london' coming from the north, and as a corollary south london has a bit of a 'screw you, yes we are' attitude. time out did a split north/south front page once, and then tried to break down how the two halves were different - laughable when they had a 'typical sth/nth ldn man and woman' picture spread - like how do people dress differently on different sides of the river??

anyway i'm always up for repping this side of the river. probably stems partly from working at the south london press (you can ask georgina about how this boosted her sth ldn pride as well), and from standing on the terraces at wimbledon (not the tennis, tcha!) and singing "south london, nah nah nah, south london, nah nah nah" at spurs/arsenal fans. also sth ldn grime pride in essentials/south agents/south soldiers, and this incredible, incredible song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOibZSIT ... ed&search=
SOUTH SIDE RUN TINGS STIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL lol

benjybars · Post by **benjybars** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:15 pm

mos dan wrote: anyway i'm always up for repping this side of the river. probably stems partly from working at the south london press (

apart from the south london press , the other local paper we got was 'The Mercury' which covered greenwich/charlton/woolwich/ etc... what a great name for a grime newspaper!! The Mercury!! are you stupid!! i never understood why no south MCs ever used this in a bar..

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:56 pm

benjybars wrote:
mos dan wrote: anyway i'm always up for repping this side of the river. probably stems partly from working at the south london press (
apart from the south london press , the other local paper we got was 'The Mercury' which covered greenwich/charlton/woolwich/ etc... what a great name for a grime newspaper!! The Mercury!! are you stupid!! i never understood why no south MCs ever used this in a bar..

lol i know!! the mercury's actually the slp's sister paper, i used to write for them too (film column, 'arts &leisure' pieces). so if you ever read about any crap deptford-based theatre groups around three years ago, that was prob me

i make paper like the mercury, and merk you like the, um, papery - this is one of the many reasons why i'm not an mc lol

this north/south london thing.

this north/south london thing.

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