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HEEEELP!
I use renoise. it's very easy just to loop the first pattern, build up a beat, a bassline basically a whole song in 1 'pattern' and jam to your heats content turning tracks on/off and jamming with bass on the computer-keyboard. basically, I don't quite have writers-block, I got lots of ideas but I never can be bothered to actually make an entire tune from it.... in renoise's case, copying/pasting patterns and actually writing a song via the pattern sequencer. I just jam every freakin day, I love it but I hate it too. what do I need? I've obviously got some mental problem.

i've got the same problem man

i tend to lay it all out in a sequencer, put the patterns together and then go in an tweak it as i go along

if i dont put the structure down to begin with i've got nothing to bench mark so i get lost and give up...

i've had this problem forever. The only things I've ever finished I finished by just making a rough arrangement and then filling the gaps.

it's hard to unpick what you've just made "perfect", but it's the only way, and then you suddenly get loads more ideas.

just got to force it I reckon.

(it is more interesting jamming ideas than fine tuning arrangements though)

ye man, once you have reached that point with a track it can be quite hard to go back and sort it out, the first 10 tunes or so i made i never really finished but then as the process sped up i found it easier to just stick with one tune and not get bored, trying to do about a tune a week now.

I recon just jam cause you enjoy it and one day it will all fit! I feel alot more confident repeating stuff in my tunes now as well so theres not crazy amounts going on just alot of automation of 3 synths with effects usually.

yeah I find that if I get stuck....erasing a major part of what I thought was a core element in the tune usually helps. I also don't keep multiple versions of tunes...so once that major part is deleted it's gone for good.

I don't start a new project until I finish the one I'm on. If I get stuck on one I just delete it all and then take a break.

drokkr wrote:I don't start a new project until I finish the one I'm on. If I get stuck on one I just delete it all and then take a break.

yeah i need to start doing this really otherwise i just spend about an hour looking at my project window tweaking some eq every day for about a month

making samples and presets helped me out alot, that way i have big chunks of the song already made
example: long pad samples up to a minute long with lots of processing, atmosphere up to 3 minutes long, 20+ percussion loops that can be edited to match a beat, and a bunch of synth resamples. that way the next time i sit down all the elements are right in front of my face but all i need is the structure. focusing on both the sounds and structure at the same time is great but sometimes doesn't work out for me.

or try the rusko masterclass thing and just bust out a full drum track with sound effects then worry about the rest later

my_fickle_eye wrote: yeah i need to start doing this really otherwise i just spend about an hour looking at my project window tweaking some eq every day for about a month

Happens to me a lot too And after some time i hate the track, no matter how much i liked it in the beginning. Only solution for me is to let it simmer for some weeks, then pull it out, listen to the whole thing exactly once and then delete all the parts im not entirly happy with.

Maybe try just having 1 tune on the go instead of 4. Finish one before you move on. If it gets boring, take a break, or work on single elements alone without having to listen to or reference the entire tune.

renoise is particularly hard to finish song s i thoug... apparently an arranger is coming in the newest update so i'm reaallly looking forward to it..

I tend to find, once you have a *fantastic* pttern sorted.... eg your main line, make an effort to create one above it, and then one below it, and develop another one. Still in the same key, unless your going for something dissonant....

and then try to meld them together... doesn't matter how long it takes but yoou now have an intro main line and out tro etc... works if your getting really desperate

You've got to work faster, so that you don't get tired of the song so quickly, and just force yourself to finish. I had the same problem but I'm now finishing tracks. It's all worth it once you've got a nice shiny wav.

I find arranging in Renoise to be very easy.

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kp mike wrote:HEEEELP!
I use renoise. it's very easy just to loop the first pattern, build up a beat, a bassline basically a whole song in 1 'pattern' and jam to your heats content turning tracks on/off and jamming with bass on the computer-keyboard. basically, I don't quite have writers-block, I got lots of ideas but I never can be bothered to actually make an entire tune from it.... in renoise's case, copying/pasting patterns and actually writing a song via the pattern sequencer. I just jam every freakin day, I love it but I hate it too. what do I need? I've obviously got some mental problem.

THIS!!!

Has been my problem ever since moving to Logic from FL Studio... FL is setup such that you kind of build the whole song as you go, but now I tend to stack everything in that 8 bar loop and do exactly what you said. Mute/ Unmute. LOL Glad not only one