Sub Bass

WeBang · Post by **WeBang** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:04 pm

If my root of the track is at C. my Sub bass is hitting at C as well at 2 octaves down it its at 33 hertz and you can't even hear it at all. Raise it an octave up and its hitting around 70 to 100. but just sounds not right. Any suggestions on how to make it so you can hear that sub some how? Its just a straigh Sine wav

narcissus · Post by **narcissus** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:26 pm

use differnet notes on the keyboard maybe? if you only ever use C you're gonna be severely limited

jsills · Post by **jsills** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:37 pm

narcissus wrote:use differnet notes on the keyboard maybe? if you only ever use C you're gonna be severely limited

this. although just cuz you cant hear the low c doesnt mean its not there. might sound proper with 15"s or in the club. personally i really like low ass subs.

WeBang · Post by **WeBang** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:54 pm

Oh man the shit bangs hard in my studio. But when I play it in the car or play it throw head phones it just doesn't sound like a track. Track I am talking about is in my sig.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:59 pm

harmonics, dynamic range and perceived loudness. get a reading

WeBang · Post by **WeBang** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:53 pm

deadly habit wrote:harmonics, dynamic range and perceived loudness. get a reading

you gonna have to help a brotha out a little then that. what does it mean and where should I look. I can look it up on goole of course but I need to understand what your saying and why so when looking for the subject I know why I am reading it

yong · Post by **yong** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:19 am

write in F

C isn't a great key for bassmusic, even if C is the peoples' key.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:51 am

yong wrote:write in F

C isn't a great key for bassmusic, even if C is the peoples' key.

true

I am a fan of Dminor

it's the saddest of the sad keys

basicanarchy101 · Post by **basicanarchy101** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:26 am

A note derivatives for the win, nothings better then an A note a-la subwoofa with a volume envelope what makes the tone sweep accross two bars. Beautiful.

On a note though man, does it have to remain PURELY sine wave? I notice that if put just a LITTLE bit of waveshaping into it through either a send or a wet/dry, it can really make a huge differnce in audibility... and itll add a nice warmth or mod to the traditional old sine wave...

Really though, at that rate, you could just try incoorporating a bit of another waveform in there somewhere, waveshaping will just give you an easy way to create imperfection in the sine, which can make perfection in the sound...

I deal with that too, annoying, innit? does it makeyour speakers do a wierd the-powers-on-but-noones-home kinda hollow sound too? GRR!!! Waveshape, distort, or add a low volume oscillator.

HAACK · Post by **HAACK** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:17 pm

Since this is a sub bass thread for the mil' time, I have been experimenting on getting a full sub sound by using minor stereo, with proper compression and limiting I stay on mark no more than +3dB.

What are everyone's suggestions about using stereo effects on a sub bass? For an example have a look at SP:MC "Trust Nobody"

Depone · Post by **Depone** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:43 pm

FSTZ wrote:
yong wrote:write in F

C isn't a great key for bassmusic, even if C is the peoples' key.
true

I am a fan of Dminor

it's the saddest of the sad keys

Haha

Spinal tap FTW

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:48 pm

Depone wrote:
FSTZ wrote:
yong wrote:write in F

C isn't a great key for bassmusic, even if C is the peoples' key.
true

I am a fan of Dminor

it's the saddest of the sad keys
Haha

Spinal tap FTW

apathesis · Post by **apathesis** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:40 pm

We Bang wrote:If my root of the track is at C. my Sub bass is hitting at C as well at 2 octaves down it its at 33 hertz and you can't even hear it at all. Raise it an octave up and its hitting around 70 to 100. but just sounds not right. Any suggestions on how to make it so you can hear that sub some how? Its just a straigh Sine wav

Change key to F. F is the best sub

nitz · Post by **nitz** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:32 pm

This is going to be abit odd because i normally dont write in the key but, atm am using a key of E, and its sounding great! I have applied a small amount of compression just to thicken it up and make it at a controllable level, and it working really nicely with with my kick aswell. No muding sound/feel in the 1st harmonics.

Depone · Post by **Depone** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:53 pm

apathesis wrote:
We Bang wrote:If my root of the track is at C. my Sub bass is hitting at C as well at 2 octaves down it its at 33 hertz and you can't even hear it at all. Raise it an octave up and its hitting around 70 to 100. but just sounds not right. Any suggestions on how to make it so you can hear that sub some how? Its just a straigh Sine wav
Change key to F. F is the best sub

Well, without trying to sound like a dick,
it depends on the rooms acoustics innit!?

WeBang · Post by **WeBang** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:45 pm

you know what I love about this forum is that there is genuine people out there willing to give proper advice excluding

I think I picked up alot from this thread. Thanks guys

apathesis · Post by **apathesis** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:15 pm

Depone wrote:
apathesis wrote:
We Bang wrote:If my root of the track is at C. my Sub bass is hitting at C as well at 2 octaves down it its at 33 hertz and you can't even hear it at all. Raise it an octave up and its hitting around 70 to 100. but just sounds not right. Any suggestions on how to make it so you can hear that sub some how? Its just a straigh Sine wav
Change key to F. F is the best sub
Well, without trying to sound like a dick,
it depends on the rooms acoustics innit!?

haha I guess so, I've seen ramadanman say that F is the best note for subs and he is pretty much god

hence my sweeping generalisations!

therapist · Post by **therapist** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:34 pm

Ah fuck, not the 'key of sub-bass' thing again. It doesn't make any sense people!

CRUCIAL1 · Post by **CRUCIAL1** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:05 am

E,F,FShrp,G are the 'money' keys in bass driven music, its common place for dubstep/dnb producers etc to use these as they work best on sound systems etc, everything else and your gonna struggle to get that heavy bass needed on a big sound rig... STANDARD!

knell · Post by **knell** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:49 am

We Bang wrote:If my root of the track is at C. my Sub bass is hitting at C as well at 2 octaves down it its at 33 hertz and you can't even hear it at all. Raise it an octave up and its hitting around 70 to 100. but just sounds not right. Any suggestions on how to make it so you can hear that sub some how? Its just a straigh Sine wav

mmk, instead of saying "change ya key bruv", lets help ya out...

yes, C isn't a great key, but lets say you're stuck with a sub-bass C note and need to make it loud.

what you want to do is turn up the Resonance on your LowPass pretty high, almost to 100 (you are using a LowPassFilter, correct?)

then, adjust the frequency of the LowPass until you hear it swell... at one point you will end up with a filter that is self oscillating, that's what you're going for.

other than that, theres compression, maximizing, etc etc

OR, the tried and true method that i learned in recording school.. "dont turn the subbass up, mix everything else down" <-- works! but can make your mastering weak

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