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And the award goes tooo...... PRO TOOLS!!!

Honestly... as an electronic musician, I find pro tools to be more of a hindrance than anything...

I'm wondering, do any of you use this "non-official standard" for production?

I feel like that simply because Pro Tools has been around since the big bang and that every little wannabe producer/recording artist boasts the program like a fucking status symbol, it gives an unfair disadvantage to other programs...

...I'm being forced to learn Pro Tools in my computer music class (pro tools reminds me of Cubase's retarded cousin) and it pisses me off. Digidesign sponsored the class, so every student has an mbox and our own imac... but seriously? ughh...

I'm just seeing if there is anyone out there who can vouch for this program... because honestly... I hardly see the use for this application when there are SO many more innovative DAWs out there..

PT is a dinosaur... and not even a cool dinosaur...

audiowright uses it and i collab at his spot on it and the only thing i dislike about it is realtime rendering
besides that same fare as any other daw
a poor artist is always the first to blame their tools

To be fair, i fucking hate pro tools
i have to use it at college for recording and shit, and its so counter intuitive and bleh. not like logic....
never tried producing on PT any more than using the built in plugins on a recording, but they sound fucking rubbish anyway

I'd agree only if you give me specifics why you don't like it. I agree that a poor artists is first to blame his tools, but there are specific hinders to workflow that can be pointed out.

Where do I begin?

Mainly... I dislike Pro Tools' lack of MIDI implementation.. and even while it has improved upon that flaw recently, its still nothing to write home about...

and the whole bit about "a poor artist is always the first to blame their tools"... agreed, but you're out of context... I feel like it was a jab at my artistic integrity.. I was simply wondering if there were any producers that could vouch for the hype that PT is famous for, not because I'm having issues with it. I'm having trouble seeing why so many people swear by it...

my issue with pro tools is that it is the non-official standardization as far as DAW's go.. but it has yet to impress me, and it troubles me even more that I'm being forced to deal with this software when I could be doing so much more with another...

I'm not having any issues with operating the software.. its just why the hell are people so wet for it? Am I missing something?

I'd take an HD system over my shitty little cubase5 setup any day

$4,000 software/hardware bundle might be the redeeming factor i was looking for...

jokes

deadly habit wrote: a poor artist is always the first to blame their tools

wow what a wack thing to say in response to a post like that

Pro Tools was never intended to be a midi based DAW in the first place.. they only really started to feature midi/computer based writing tools in the last year or so as far as I know. It's mostly used for multitrack recording/mixing (which it does well).

Who would actually use PT for computer based music anyway?

Waste thread.

i guess that is the pitfall of learning music, or anything, though university or a college course. they force you to do things in a set way. if you just learn yourself, self teach, you can find out what works for you, create your own workflow, and work out for yourself what tools suit you.

but at the same time you are probably learning valuable music theory that that others will have to pick up way later through trial and error. any education is useful if you just take and use the useful parts.

sounds like the first lesson you have learnt is to stay away from pro tools

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote: a poor artist is always the first to blame their tools

wow what a wack thing to say in response to a post like that

why most people know pro tools isn't intended for "production" but more for recording and multitracking
that's like me saying renoise is a poor program to use for recording a band
edm/production is possible in it and the routing etc is going to be different in every app and it is completely possible.
call me callous or a dick if you want but people around here seem to think only certain daws or plugs can create certain sounds which frankly is bullshit.

the reason it's the standard is because when you are bringing a track into a normal studio 9 out of 10 times it's going to be a pro tools le or hd rig, not saying i agree or like that, but that's just fact.

Novelty wrote:Where do I begin?

Mainly... I dislike Pro Tools' lack of MIDI implementation.. and even while it has improved upon that flaw recently, its still nothing to write home about...

and the whole bit about "a poor artist is always the first to blame their tools"... agreed, but you're out of context... I feel like it was a jab at my artistic integrity.. I was simply wondering if there were any producers that could vouch for the hype that PT is famous for, not because I'm having issues with it. I'm having trouble seeing why so many people swear by it...

my issue with pro tools is that it is the non-official standardization as far as DAW's go.. but it has yet to impress me, and it troubles me even more that I'm being forced to deal with this software when I could be doing so much more with another...

I'm not having any issues with operating the software.. its just why the hell are people so wet for it? Am I missing something?

Hey no offense there. Please don't take what I say personally. "A poor artist...", the quote has merit, but just as I noted and you pointed out, there are fundamental flaws that some DAWs exhibit that make the process slow and shitty. And I also note that people swear by PT the same way they swear by analog vs digital, Mac vs PC, hardware vs software. Simply, there are a lot of people (artists, musicians, engineers, Know-it-alls) that continuously spill the hype about a a system or way of doings things when there are tons of other ways that may be faster or better for the effort, which isnt to discredit them, but just a different way of doings thing they previously didn't know. And for some reason, E-go (note the big 'E') tends to have us fight for our beliefs rather than just accepting that things can be done differently. Now excuse me while I go buy a Virus, cause everyone knows you cant make dubstep without one.

deadly habit wrote: call me callous or a dick if you want but people around here seem to think only certain daws or plugs can create certain sounds which frankly is bullshit.

the reason it's the standard is because when you are bringing a track into a normal studio 9 out of 10 times it's going to be a pro tools le or hd rig, not saying i agree or like that, but that's just fact.

Agreed fully and to add Protools goes back to a certain heyday when DAWs were still a studio blessing, and many modern producers and engineers cut their teeth on it. You had bedroom music makers but they weren't wearing all the hats, unlike today, in which we create write, produce and engineer our stuff. And our tools are incredibly powerful to do so.

deadly habit wrote:
call me callous or a dick if you want but people around here seem to think only certain daws or plugs can create certain sounds which frankly is bullshit.

So where in his post did he imply ANY of that? Maybe you have another reason to be a bully to this guy that I don't know about, but attitudes like yours really contribute nothing but negativity to a place that's supposed to be a positive atmosphere to discuss music production. Maybe you just read the thread title and are venting, that's fine, but no need to attack the guy because you didn't read his post properly.

It was one of the first popular digital hard disk recording solutions, so it got very popular from the get go.

I wouldn't use it in my electronic productions, but i use it extensively @ university each week.
Its midi capabilities isnt ware its hype is made. Its because its an amazingly accurate audio recorder/editor, and the audio engine was coded by the gods themselves. So yeah its the king for recorded sound, but the joker at midi production.

I actually couldn't imagine not using it now in the studio, it has become a part of my routine and another bullet in the belt.
Basically, embrace it and stop whining!

pro tools is without a doubt the best 'daw' for multitrack recording, and thats why its industry standard. a hd system never jitters and rarely crashes and uses none of your cpu and has some of the best sounding plugins.

its not really meant for making tracks like cubase/logic/etc.

^^^ this.

I learned it a bit when I was doing some multi-track recording - and for that it was brilliant, but I would never use it in any other context.

Yes, one can often find ways of using a tool beyond (or even contrary) to its intended purpose, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it didn't succeed at being great at something it was never intended to do.

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote:
call me callous or a dick if you want but people around here seem to think only certain daws or plugs can create certain sounds which frankly is bullshit.

So where in his post did he imply ANY of that? Maybe you have another reason to be a bully to this guy that I don't know about, but attitudes like yours really contribute nothing but negativity to a place that's supposed to be a positive atmosphere to discuss music production. Maybe you just read the thread title and are venting, that's fine, but no need to attack the guy because you didn't read his post properly.

how was i being a bully? i was making a general statement not directed at anyone in particular.

deadly habit wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:

deadly habit wrote:
call me callous or a dick if you want but people around here seem to think only certain daws or plugs can create certain sounds which frankly is bullshit.

So where in his post did he imply ANY of that? Maybe you have another reason to be a bully to this guy that I don't know about, but attitudes like yours really contribute nothing but negativity to a place that's supposed to be a positive atmosphere to discuss music production. Maybe you just read the thread title and are venting, that's fine, but no need to attack the guy because you didn't read his post properly.

how was i being a bully? i was making a general statement not directed at anyone in particular.

now I'm just confused


also why is there no confused smiley