DJ Mixes overshadowed by constant Big up

amnesia · Post by **amnesia** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:43 pm

Whils I appreciate being able to get radio mixes online, cant understand the constant big upping everyone over a track...for example the Rinse FM DJ Distance- S&D mix

I feel like there are some amazing tracks there but I got to hear maybe 30 secs of the pure music the rest was big ups,,,,now thats cool for a little while but how many times i heard the same name big upped...it just overshadows a good mix with some great tunes.......after a while i felt like i was listening to someone telephone conversation.

are the big ups there to stop us from enjoying the music?

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:50 pm

the big question with radio MC's !!!???

panty inspector · Post by **panty inspector** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:24 pm

in my eyes theres not a lot of mixes compared to dnb,
dnb has a major problem at the mo of because of the mp3 culture and because technoligy is so advanced and theres so many major djs rinceing so upfront music that theres people out there cut n pasting dubs and playing them out!! [fact] the only way to kurb this is to chat over it,its foolish to think as a dj on say a internet radio or pirate station that no ones gunna rip it!! ?? hello !! so if there playing upfront music and hay this is there biznes not just hobby i think its a fair price to pay,u listen for nothing,download for nothing and how does the producer know that all 100% of his fans/listeners aint going to rip his track and not buy the vynel....
im not saying your one of them,but history has show that its happening right now!!
i can still here the track,and if i love the track enough id buy it when it came to the store !!!

anyway enough blibble from me...

kion · Post by **kion** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:17 pm

Exactly that ^^

amnesia · Post by **amnesia** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:33 pm

Cheers

I wasnt dissing, I was just trying to work out why its happening...

amnesia · Post by **amnesia** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:39 pm

Cheers

I wasnt dissing, I was just trying to work out why its happening...

amnesia · Post by **amnesia** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:48 pm

I understand all this now but have a tricky question.

I am a muso I release tracks, a DJ plays my tunes out and the DJ makes money from it, I may make money if people buy the track, but I may not (most likely not with 12")...so the DJ gets payed instantly ...I dont...and may never

How is that any better from someone dlding mixes? The muso doesnt get paid and the downloader dont earn money from the dld

panty inspector · Post by **panty inspector** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:58 pm

and sir i wasnt pointing the finger @ u ... its a valid question u put forward,i tried to underline whats happening within music at present via the positive n negitives with the whole internet thing......

positive for fans music lovers record buyers etc etc to here all the good new stuff,great for promotion for the artist /producer but...

negitive sides to it is,the cut n paste krew,tons of wannabee djs stealing the latest dubs via shows ,why they do it is cause they consider they want to be like the big boys...IMAGE/EGO its a shame,promos n dubs are there for that tool,to help promote that record to all in all generate sales when it gets released !! the record industry has taken such a heavy dive in sales due to technoligy advancing and the usage of different musical formats in which one can play and just the point of anyone who has a pc can log on go to any forum across the globe and download,>> ipods << have killed vynel,kids today dont want turntables,they want a mic or ipods ?? [fact ]

i do a lot of sourcing music on the net,and quite often or not i either get messages from djs/promoters/artists etc etc thanking me for my linking help or asking me to remove a link due to material...

u have to think stations like rincefm play so upfront music of the dubstep/grime scene its silly..in a good way !! but how many people as soon as the shows finished all they ask for is audio !! its the same with the dnb and breaks scene...not so much the house/techno scene !!

strange but true !!

if your a record buyer to the scene your into chatting over the track shouldnt to worry u,as long as it comes out on vynel sometime soon thats all that should matter !! its there lively hood one that could end shortly not cause there musics trash its cause of cut n paste /mp3 downloads etc etc

sorry to have gone on and on ,.....if anything that was a bloody good questioned asked !! nice 1 ......take care ........tpi

panty inspector · Post by **panty inspector** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:12 am

nice....question !!

ok ,hence the reason with in a scene 80% of upfront music is formated on cd/dubplate ...
very rare ud get tracks unless booties that go straight from studio to vynel cutting houses in my exsperiance,tracks do the small circut with a few well known guys doing the only dropping biznes,its on places like forums u see fans going u heard this u heard that,tracks causes hype !!!

pendulum from the dnb world took some major risks and even though there lp has sold over 40000 copies worldwide thats not much in the light of things,so many people downloaded there material via the web that it didnt help there sales...??
ok now there name is seriously out there,but at what cost !!
theres even now that some of the dnb artist aint allowing mixes with there work in and asking moniters to shut down links,i can only rearly talk on dnb,i dont rearly know alot on the dubstep thing to chat chat chat alot on it but im sure there are or will exsperiance the same problems....

if u produce id say dont release until the hypes good,...only give out materal to the right people and demard if playing on any radio etc etc where someone can record !! please !! talk over it !! thats way the if the track becomes sort after in time when release u havent lost sales via the net,
if you have produced a track and your placing on mix cds,work out your mix by double dropping add effex over it etc etc ...cover your back !!
cause if u dont someone will rob it !! and your Â£Â£ will be smaller !!

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:34 am

true.
lot of scenes get smacked in the face with illegal downloading and cutting...
ive even heard of our stuff gettin recorded off vinyl and then burnt onto cd...
40,000 units for pendulum...thats DEEP.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:57 am

here in NZ we have APRA, a copyright collection agency...

...how it's supposed to work is, venues pay a fee to broadcast music, a percentage of which goes to the artist whose work is played and a percentage also for the door take is supposed to be paid to them as well

It's how support bands on big concerts make extra income based on the number of bums on seat there to see the main act...

...it supposedly only works if artists tunes are registered with APRA and venues providing playlists of the material played

How many of you register your tunes with the appropriate agencies in your respective countries ???

incidentally all this system shows is that current copyright laws are obsolete and ill equipped to deal with th digital age and mostly based on percentages of adevertising revenue for radio and TV...

...publishing rights with regards to licensing for advertising, gaming and movies is totally separate, something i'm not too sure about but would urge all artists to retain all rights where they re concerned and get yourself a speacialist music lawyer

On the few mixsets we have put out we try to include trak name, artist name, label name and URL where applicable

and yeah crap MC's that don't know when to shut up or lack skills beyond bigging up the DJ need to sit down and shut the fuck up. If the artist had wanted an MC on it they would have put one on it

just put a random tone or ad sting in as a watermark instead

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:32 am

pirate radio has always been full of talk. it's part of the whole experience. people are phoning in, friends are phoning in, shout outs....it's been that way for years and years. i have a pirate radio session on mp3 of jumping jack frost from 1994 with literally 4 mc's all over every inch of every song. it is what it is. if you want perfectly quiet mixes, then anything you'd find on rinsefm is not going to be up to your taste. what panty said is also dead right. the quality of the streaming is making for tasty dub jacking, so rather than give people opportunities, i'd say it's part of the plan to be talking over the tracks. i don't mind it one bit.

amnesia · Post by **amnesia** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:46 am

I am in AUstralia and we have same APRA.....I know they have to list tracks on radio for APRA , but maybe as theses radio stations are pirate they cant?

amnesia · Post by **amnesia** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:55 am

Ah OK we dont have pirate radio stations here is Oz, so that how experience is new to me

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:33 am

personally I love the chatting over tunes. Firstly, all the big ones get rewound at least once, so yah nah miss anything. 2nd, its fukin gold. I can't listen to normal radio anymore without missing the chat. Its one of the things that make London pirates so good. Its a whole different way of using the radio, just like cutting dubs bypasses all bullshit involved in putting out a record, pirate radio bypasses all the restrictions/traditions of mainstream broadcasting. And alot of its piss funny.

amnesia, you seem to have a rather ambivlent relationship to the scene, you love the tunes but seem to want them to be constrained by "the old rules" , I'm not avin a go thats just what I get from reading your posts.

An organisation like APRA would be dumbfounded by somthing like dubstep. Dubstep, like ardkore/jungle, exists outside of the regular channels of creating, playing and distributing music. This is a good thing.

no offense amnesia and dubmugga but London is a long way from the antipodes both geographically and culturally.

piece.

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:47 am

Pirate radio in its original for is a comunitte radio which means its about the local comunitte and with that you have them calling the radio station for shouts to local friends. Pirate would not be pirate without it...Its the backbone of pirate radio.

If your not used to pirate then I can see why you might get pissed with the same names getting dropped every 20mins but teh station needs a head count and if your in the studio you wanna know if ppl are listening.

When I played on pirate we we're more interested in WHERE ppl were, how far our signal was. But you still messed with the regulars and so on. Altho I was mixing UKG (Back in the day 2000/01) so it was more about the Mc thing so you didnt get as many shouts BUT you deffo still got some.

PPL and artists that make up the scene should get a names drop cos after all its all they get as we live in a dubplate/CD culture.

My 2 pence worth

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:58 am

ok for chatting over tunes in order to prevent the ripping of tracks... But please, put good MC's over the tunes... I mean with an interesting musical approach.... My 2 cents

m9918868 · Post by **m9918868** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:17 am

panty inspector wrote: theres so many major djs rinceing so upfront music that theres people out there cut n pasting dubs and playing them out!! [fact]

:shock:

What would be the point of cutting/pasting a 64-128kbit audiostream. Can't believe that anyone would dare to play out such crap. Sorry but to me the whole argument sounds a bit whack.

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:18 am

m9918868 wrote:
panty inspector wrote: theres so many major djs rinceing so upfront music that theres people out there cut n pasting dubs and playing them out!! [fact]
:shock:

What would be the point of cutting/pasting a 64-128kbit audiostream. Can't believe that anyone would dare to play out such crap. Sorry but to me the whole argument sounds a bit whack.

good point !

m9918868 · Post by **m9918868** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:27 am

Sure it is.

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