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I've been using ableton for a while and really like it! But i've been thinking about trying reaper. What are the short comings of it compared to ableton? (if there is any)
How is the automation handles and such (I hate how abletons envelopes have no fuckin' curves!!!)

Curved automations rare, I think logic has it though... as far as SHORTCOMINGs compared to ableton, idk, no live outlet really, whic if your just producing, will free your workflow up alot i.m.o. ... Youll have to get used to things being layed out ALOT different, Reaper is a much more traditional DAW (i.e. FL, Cubase, Ect.) ... Ableton has a very unique way of handling alot of tasks...

N itll be alot harder to change tempos mid tune like alot of aleton guys like too...

http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91084.html

They might be able to help you out.

dude, if you've got live, why would switch to reaper, which is a step down imo?? reaper's not gonna let you do anything you can't already do.

narcissus wrote:dude, if you've got live, why would switch to reaper, which is a step down imo?? reaper's not gonna let you do anything you can't already do.

Hes really right in a way, and I dont even use Live...

But like, your best bet is always going to be too learn one DAW inside and out, rather then drift around. Think about it, how long did you have to spend learning the Ableton interface before you understood the program competently enough to make tunes on it? I run FL, and it took almost 8 months too REALLY learn it... if you switch DAWs, the learning curve may be quicker, but, youll still have massive downtown for the aquaintance process of migrating.

And also, virtually all DAWs have the same capabilities, if only in different places and layouts... Ableton is rumored to have alot of neat, added functionality which I dont fully comprehend, but, I know from fiddling with it that its a truly different world from a more traditional DAW...

I would really concern yourself with learning one, and getting omfortable... and once your confy somewhere, IDK why you would ever switch... your home is where you get creative... switching DAWs isnt gonna change anything except your color scheme, layout, and maybe give you a few new VSTs...

I guess Id be curious why your switchin... if its just for automation, I cant imagine something called LIVE not being amazing for automation, haha.

Reaper does have all sorts of new automation curves (recently introduced) Its a great program. I tried LIVE and didn't really like it. Reaper suits me much better. There are pros and cons to each but the beauty of reaper is you can download the program and use it for free untill you decide if you want to purchase it or not. When it comes to mixing i think its the best and ive used cu-base/pro-tools for years. Its time stretching is really good now and there is a similar functionality to lives warping if you need to change tempo/timestretch etc. If you are having doubts about LIVE i would suggest you give it a try.

Word thanks duder. I'll download it and give it a try. kool that theres an unlimited trial. and yeah the main thing that was buggin me was the automation curves and I just kinda feel like tryin' somthing else out.

glad ur feeling it

Never know, traditional layouts may suit ya more, lives best utilized by well... live performers... if your just crankin out tunes, reaper/fl/cubase, ftw.

You could also try and shoot yourself in the foot to see if that helps you understand Live a little better.

There's TONS of pros to using Reaper...I would say the only cons are that you're losing Ableton's warping function, the session view, and a systematic workflow (you can setup Reaper EXACTLY how you want, but you have to know what you want...the customizability is quite daunting).

Either way, it's worth trying out and seeing how you get on with it.

All good advice, the best being stick to one daw and learn it inside out. I have over the course of my producing life, moved from reason to acid and now to reaper, every time i have moved it was because my previous daw couldnt really do something that iw anted it to do, moving from reason that was working with audio qwuickly and efficiently. From what ive heard of ableton, its a sick program and if you already know your way around it i would just keep working at it. The reason i have reaper now is that i am trying to have as legit a setup as possible, cracked programs do casue problems, and the attitude the reaper team has is admirable at worst, and heroic at best! I am adamant that i will never move daws again as reaper continually upgrades and adds in features it was previously missing, not to mention t he customability, which is, yes, daunting, but in the long run its gonna help you out big style.

It's all in the name really.

Live is good for live work obviously... Reaper simply kills it!

On a serious note.

Live handles loops with more aplomb. It has a great set of built in FX and samplers etc. It comes with bundled audio content (which is good for preset bandits).

Reaper's workflow is about as simple as audio software can get (while retaining pro level features). Reaper is theme-able and ultra customisable, meaning that you can tweak it to your desires. Reaper handles routing between channels in a very simple manner (drag 'n' drop). Most importantly, Reaper has easy automation featuring both linear lines and bezier curves. (See below)

Both programs have good timestretching, auto loop slicing and the ability to drag 'n' drop samples.

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Easy steps to enlightenment:

• -Download Reaper and install it.
  
  -Fire up a new project and double click in the lefthand window pane to create a new track.
  
  -Click the 'Env' button and select a control to automate by checking one of the tick boxes.
  
  -On the new sequencer lane for that automation, hold down CTRL and drag any shape you want.
  
  -Or hold down SHIFT and left click to create a single new automation node.
  
  -Hold down ALT and drag the automation line in between two nodes. The line will curve according to the setting you have selected for each node. (Right click on a node and go to the second menu item to select various curve modes).
  
  -Notice you can drag the automation curve up and down like a volume fader?

You can overlay the automation directly on the track it is automating by right clicking and unchecking the 'show envelope in lane' menu item at the bottom of the list.

Reaper rawks dudes!

Word can't wait to try it out tonight. Thanks for the good information peoples.

i basically want to just follow futures untold around into every reaper thread and say "what he said!".

i think he and i are two of reapers biggest proponents and he does an excellent job explaining the benefits of reaper in most threads so i usually dont bother posting but im watching and man knows wassup for sure!

BIGGUP FUTURES UNTOLD!!! BIGGUP REAPER!!!

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Reaper FTW!

futures_untold wrote:awww

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Reaper FTW!

I use reaper....can i join in the group hug?? I promise I'll start making more posts about it