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This guy has made a programme that creates classical music to a "human" quality...

that's... wow

goodbye music.. This man is a genius but also a curse.
I hope he will never succeed and fails in every effort.
i wish every man goodluck with his passsion and goals but
this will just ruin music forever. I feel like crying..

It's fucking depressing. Wheres the emotion? the passion? or the meaning with a programme that can write every aspect of a song

So?

I write keys all the time... they mean everything to me n nothing to anyone else... those, right there, have no creator, so, they never mean anything. Noone wants that. We listen to music to connect. Itll be okay. Dont worry. Youll alwyas need a human.

surely this is just an exercise on his part to see if it can be done? nobody is going to benefit from it, are they?

Basic A wrote:So?
We listen to music to connect. Itll be okay. Dont worry. Youll alwyas need a human.

period.

Echoi wrote:surely this is just an exercise on his part to see if it can be done? nobody is going to benefit from it, are they?

not as soon as it becomes comercial and everyone has a copy. @Basic A The whole point of you making music is because YOU are making music. Not because some programme is making it all for you. Although it will stop questions like "how do I make teh wobbelz"

how does i mek teh bach symphony?

Genius imo

Echoi wrote:how does i mek teh bach symphony?

this is interesting but nothing to be worried about... People are always worried about robots and computers... it's silly

I remember when I was little and people would hear electronic music all the time and say "that's not music, that's just banging noises" blah blah blah. But millions and billions of people love just those noises and so these purist people who want to claim the right to what is music and what isn't got told. Nowadays you don't hear that opinion so much. Same with this computer music, if it is actually good and people like it, great, because it's something that people like! And if it isn't, then whatever it's an interesting experiment.

Basic A wrote:So?

I write keys all the time... they mean everything to me n nothing to anyone else... those, right there, have no creator, so, they never mean anything. Noone wants that. We listen to music to connect. Itll be okay. Dont worry. Youll alwyas need a human.

i agree... i read about this dude in a local paper a few weeks ago... the fact is, he has to sit around for hours asking this computer questions to give it some kind of idea what he's feeling... and anything it composes is essentially based on hundreds of specific compositions by many great human composers.. so the computer itself ain't writing anything on it's own, it's just mirroring what the guy said to it, but slightly differently. not so different than a lot of the tools we use

Meh, bring on AI created music, gonna be awesome, wish it was 5024 already

narcissus wrote:i agree... i read about this dude in a local paper a few weeks ago... the fact is, he has to sit around for hours asking this computer questions to give it some kind of idea what he's feeling... and anything it composes is essentially based on hundreds of specific compositions by many great human composers.. so the computer itself ain't writing anything on it's own, it's just mirroring what the guy said to it, but slightly differently. not so different than a lot of the tools we use

What if it wasn't ? Why are people freaking out about this ? Are you going to stop making music and enjoying it because a computer can do it too ?
You guys need to sort out your motives imho.

Basic A wrote:those, right there, have no creator, so, they never mean anything. Noone wants that.

The universe has no creator, but it is often astonishingly beautiful. Beauty is independent of meaning. Music is music, whether made by the human mind, the software mind, or the millennial wanderings of astronomical bodies.

nowaysj wrote:The universe has no creator, but it is often astonishingly beautiful. Beauty is independent of meaning. Music is music, whether made by the human mind, the software mind, or the millennial wanderings of astronomical bodies.

Hell yeah, best thing I've read all year

I for one welcome our new robot overlords.
I'd like to remind them that as a trusted musician, I can be helpful
in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

This "soul" that people talk about isn't inherent to the music we listen to... We put meaning to music, and obviously certain songs mean things to people compared to others who may not feel the same way.

I think people are a bit paranoid about this, looking at apocalyptic futures where computers create music and we sit there unable to compose anything instead of marvelling at it as a creative accomplishment.

On a very long stretch, he's uncovered the central tenets of modern composition, and people who have a romanticised view of music will find this upsetting because he's showing them things they didn't want to see... Almost like Science vs. Religion really if you get me.


Dub Fiend

Well said again.
From a personal perspective, I'm an atheist and don't believe in a soul so how can I believe the same things exists in music (or any artform)
It's just all chemical reactions in the brain reacting to changes in air pressure resonating diaphragms, it could be written by a space panda in spandex tights with wireless broadband modems for eyes, if it's good it's good (and I'm betting that'd be damn good)

just stfu about who wrote it and listen to the extracts in the link. The first, especially, is an astonishing composition. That doesn't change because a very clever man (who happens to be a really good composer anyway) wrote a program to write it with him, instead of sitting down with pen and paper.