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has finally happened. Discuss.

Albeit incredibly cut down. Step in the right direction though.

nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.

spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.

coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already
social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

Welcome to the Post-WW2 world.

We look after each other now.

magma wrote:Welcome to the Post-WW2 world.

We look after each other now.

iirc doesn't this still fuck people over badly if they can't afford it?

particle-jim wrote:

spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.

coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already
social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

when the conservatives get in i can see the NHS becoming a privatised system but back-door privatisation so they'll keep the name but fuck us every other way.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

particle-jim wrote:

spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.

coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already
social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

when the conservatives get in i can see the NHS becoming a privatised system but back-door privatisation so they'll keep the name but fuck us every other way.

I don't think even the tories are THAT stupid?

they put the starting bits of it in place last time they were in power, they have systematically privatised everything possible what makes you think they see nhs as any different?

Why would you not want you're tax to help someone who can not fund health care themselves. That is the problem with capitalist states, it embeds this everyman for them-self mentality into people, that someone who cannot afford something isn't working hard enough when it's bullshit.

The whole point of "society" is to help one another so it becomes of benefit to your own well-being.

I'll think you'll find David Cameron is a big proponent of the NHS.

d'brickashaw ferguson wrote:I'll think you'll find David Cameron is a big proponent of the NHS.

If we lose the NHS...that's it. I dunno what I'll do...but it won't be good.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:Why would you not want you're tax to help someone who can not fund health care themselves. That is the problem with capitalist states, it embeds this everyman for them-self mentality into people, that someone who cannot afford something isn't working hard enough when it's bullshit.

The whole point of "society" is to help one another so it becomes of benefit to your own well-being.

there's plenty of capitalist countries in europe who have socialised, free-at-the-point-of-use healthcare for everybody. the us healthcare debate is nothing to do with capitalism.

Great concept, shit-terrible implementation.

By no means a expert on this but even if its not totally correct yet it still means that America is moving IN THE RIGHT GOD-DAMN WAY. Obama has lived up to the hype getting any sort of result with this imo.

the 'modern' tories haven't got the nuts to threaten the nhs, they'll know they'd be finished if they did. they might squeeze it a bit though

anyone who supports the old us system is a crackpot- their government spent more per person than the uk government did and we have universal coverage!

alfie wrote:the 'modern' tories haven't got the nuts to threaten the nhs, they'll know they'd be finished if they did. they might squeeze it a bit though

The question is whether they’ll be prepared to keep increasing funding - the rising cost of treatment is a one way street. The Tories didn’t actually cut spending on the NHS once during the 80s but waiting lists went through the roof because they didn’t make it a priority. The NHS is really expensive, although worth every penny.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

particle-jim wrote:

spire wrote:nice thought, health care. bad idea. ill be extremely surprised if this dosnt screw up MANY things.

coz your healthcare system isn't fucked already
social healthcare is the one, if people tried to get rid of the NHS there would be fucking riots!

when the conservatives get in i can see the NHS becoming a privatised system but back-door privatisation so they'll keep the name but fuck us every other way.

It's already happened and new labour took it further than the tories ever did:

See here:

http://libcom.org/news/article.php/nhs- ... sis-022006

here:

http://www.libdems.org.uk/news_detail.a ... c9c2aeba6c

Here:

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=10070

Here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1991037.stm

Has anyone seen some of the American news reports about the NHS in America? They're hilarious.

NHS IS A BURDEN AND ALL THE DOCTORS ARE SHIT AND YOU WILL DIE IN A&E!!!!