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I'm a casual listener tbh, and don't follow dubstep in a huge way, but I've noticed that almost any sample, song or popular sound is not safe with dubstep around.
I'm a producer myself, not the best nor the most famous by any means, but to me there's something wrong in sampling in almost every song you do - and it seems it's easy to 'get away with it' with dubstep. Take Cragga's 'postman' for instance - a few months ago I'd have loved the song, but listening back it's just a catchy sample with some wobble over it. This isn't really that hard to do - yet it has nearly 1 million Youtube views, compared to something like Skream, who's equally/if not more popular - yet doesn't sample. I guess I'm trying to say is that sampling - to me is cheating, and is the key to a quick, likeable song. For the record, I like wobble in a song, but it's just inane when combined with a sample.
I'm not on about the occasional sample here, or the odd noise here and there, I'm on about culprits such as MTEden who seems to sample too much. I used to enjoy some of his stuff too - but again, looking back he's just applied a wobble to an already famous song, as suddenly the world is his oyster. I'm not saying he's talentless - as he's actually made the song, but it's just so easy to do with some much recognition to gain from it...it makes me wonder why more producers out there don't sample more, as it's an easy route to gratification.
Then, you have the blatant samples of some cockney british gangster film, which is just thrown in or used as a chorus. Again, I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, but it just seems played out now, and almost expectant in some songs.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that dubstep is over-saturated with samples...it's rare to have artists who don't sample at all, or very rarely in dubstep - and those who can actually pull it of too. Maybe I have mentioned some 'weak' artists as my example, but it seems most of the world/Youtube is wowed by these simple, samples.
I don't mean to sound negative and blaming, but dubstep lacks originality imo, and could do with a few more people who don't follow the same formula.
Thoughts?

dubstep ruins my pants

mrdii wrote:I don't mean to sound negative and blaming, but dubstep lacks originality imo, and could do with a few more people who don't follow the same formula.
Thoughts?

there are so many amazing producers out there, diverse, pushing boundaries, incredibly talented, that dont overuse samples at all.

unfortunately youtube etc doesnt focus on these, rather the mt edens, cragga's, and braindead wubwub of this world.

maybe samples are used alot in crap jump up becasue without them the actual music would be even less experimental and sound even more duplicated.

mrdii wrote:Basically, what I'm trying to say is that dubstep is over-saturated with samples...it's rare to have artists who don't sample at all, or very rarely in dubstep - and those who can actually pull it of too.

Listen to Desto.

Yeah if you are looking for more experiment stuff, you really need to look harder, because it is there.

lol

people have said this about hip hop, reggae, ANY electronic music, rock, soul, etc.....

birial - godshelter

You can not generalise Dubstep ruining classics......more the producer who makes an awful use of a sample.

Some people can use a sample and totally smash it.....Loefah - Disko Rekah for example.

Youtube is ruining dubstep.

Unless the original somehow vanishes after being sampled I wouldn't say it was ruined.

brut willis wrote:Youtube is ruining dubstep.

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Thanks for the responses. Sorry I generalised about 'dubstep ruining classics'. Maybe I meant Youtube - but my question is then, if Youtubes popularity is dictated by the people, then why are these sample raping producers so popular? I'm not trying to sound snobby in music, but surely most dubstep fans don't listen to these songs (which is the opposite to what is indicated by youtube views)...?
When 'sierra leone' has 4 million views, more than the sample, more than an original dubstep producer, it does make me think who is exactly listening to this stuff - it seems the responses on here are against these typical producers - does this mean I can generalise and say the core dubstep community shares my thoughts too? That these producers are extremely overated and lack originality?
Because if that's the case then where do these millions of viewers come from? If it's not dubstep fans liking these youtube songs then who is?
It's times like these I wish dubstep was more categorised - I would class these sample people in a bracket of their own, they're completely different to some songs which are also labelled dubstep.
For the record I'm not a huge dubstep fan, maybe it's because I and you have a wide musical knowledge that we truly appreciate what good music is? Again, it sounds corny and snobby, but your typical listener isn't going to be on a music forum/produce?
Perhaps I just answered my own question - maybe these sample songs are liked by 'soft' music fans, the same who like pop music - this would explain the popularity whilst being unaware of the stale, re-made song structures, which is very similar to pop music.

mrdii wrote: I'm not saying he's talentless

He is.

Mt Eden is absolutely fucking terrible and the fact that anyone can like it at all is very worrying to me.

also, you're saying that these stupid remixes of tracks are getting so many views on youtube. However when you think about it youtube views are meaningless. These tracks are not really selling. I don't hear these remixes played by any djs anywhere. I don't think they're going to live on and remembered in the grand scheme of things music wise. It's not like people are going to be dusting off their old copies of Mt Eden on vinyl in ten years time to listen to it. I can see some dubstep I own living on in my listening habits for the rest of my life. I can't imagine any of this "what if I put a kick drum, a snare and a crappy sounding wobble over this track" sort of "dubstep" really living on. I mean it is possible for sampling to be an art form. Like how some of the best hip hop producers can make it that way. However I don't think that we have to worry about this whole talentless taking a popular song and turning it into dubstep by adding a wobble to it craze truly having any lasting impact.

man, there have been tons of threads about how bad the new jump up wobble stuff is. you'll fit in right in here

Dubstep killed my father, and raped my mother

mrdii wrote: Again, it sounds corny and snobby, but your typical listener isn't going to be on a music forum/produce?
Perhaps I just answered my own question - maybe these sample songs are liked by 'soft' music fans, the same who like pop music - this would explain the popularity whilst being unaware of the stale, re-made song structures, which is very similar to pop music.

this is exactly it. There is a larger group of people to consider. The average person who listens to music does not get deeply involved with it and all that. A large number of people are surface level music listeners, heavily influenced by mainstream culture and all of that. Mt. Eden being popular today doesn't mean that he will even be remembered 2 years from now. His fans would have moved on to something else.

It sort reminds of XXL Magazine and this article they have called "Rookies to watch out for" or something like that. Up and comers who are extremely popular but mostly forgettable....and indeed, a year or so after that article is featured in the magazine, there is no further buzz and no further interest.

which is why to me, genres can never actually die. They can lose steam, you can lose interest in them, you can be embarrased to associate yourself with it because of a lot of the garbage that gets more media attention...but for example, I'm a hip-hop head at heart, and hip-hop as I know it is fading. But I'll always have certain albums that mean the world to me. so when it's all said and done and Gucci Mane, Soulja Boy, Apple Juice Man, and all these characters come and go....I'm off in my own world listening to what I like.

also keep in mind that Youtube views can be fabricated. We're talking about the internet here. If Myspace plays can be bought, Youtube views can as well. Also, I challenge anyone to post a negative comment under the Sierra Leone vid and see how long it stays there. Imo the 4 million views is bullshit....I bet a lot of those comments are fabricated as well.

mrdii wrote:I'm a casual listener tbh, and don't follow dubstep in a huge way, but I've noticed that almost any sample, song or popular sound is not safe with dubstep around.
I'm a producer myself, not the best nor the most famous by any means, but to me there's something wrong in sampling in almost every song you do - and it seems it's easy to 'get away with it' with dubstep. Take Cragga's 'postman' for instance - a few months ago I'd have loved the song, but listening back it's just a catchy sample with some wobble over it. This isn't really that hard to do - yet it has nearly 1 million Youtube views, compared to something like Skream, who's equally/if not more popular - yet doesn't sample. I guess I'm trying to say is that sampling - to me is cheating, and is the key to a quick, likeable song. For the record, I like wobble in a song, but it's just inane when combined with a sample.
I'm not on about the occasional sample here, or the odd noise here and there, I'm on about culprits such as MTEden who seems to sample too much. I used to enjoy some of his stuff too - but again, looking back he's just applied a wobble to an already famous song, as suddenly the world is his oyster. I'm not saying he's talentless - as he's actually made the song, but it's just so easy to do with some much recognition to gain from it...it makes me wonder why more producers out there don't sample more, as it's an easy route to gratification.
Then, you have the blatant samples of some cockney british gangster film, which is just thrown in or used as a chorus. Again, I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, but it just seems played out now, and almost expectant in some songs.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that dubstep is over-saturated with samples...it's rare to have artists who don't sample at all, or very rarely in dubstep - and those who can actually pull it of too. Maybe I have mentioned some 'weak' artists as my example, but it seems most of the world/Youtube is wowed by these simple, samples.
I don't mean to sound negative and blaming, but dubstep lacks originality imo, and could do with a few more people who don't follow the same formula.
Thoughts?

You just ruined my day.

wolf89 wrote:also, you're saying that these stupid remixes of tracks are getting so many views on youtube. However when you think about it youtube views are meaningless. These tracks are not really selling. I don't hear these remixes played by any djs anywhere. I don't think they're going to live on and remembered in the grand scheme of things music wise. It's not like people are going to be dusting off their old copies of Mt Eden on vinyl in ten years time to listen to it. I can see some dubstep I own living on in my listening habits for the rest of my life. I can't imagine any of this "what if I put a kick drum, a snare and a crappy sounding wobble over this track" sort of "dubstep" really living on. I mean it is possible for sampling to be an art form. Like how some of the best hip hop producers can make it that way. However I don't think that we have to worry about this whole talentless taking a popular song and turning it into dubstep by adding a wobble to it craze truly having any lasting impact.

yeah. no joke.

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MUT3 wrote:

wolf89 wrote:also, you're saying that these stupid remixes of tracks are getting so many views on youtube. However when you think about it youtube views are meaningless. These tracks are not really selling. I don't hear these remixes played by any djs anywhere. I don't think they're going to live on and remembered in the grand scheme of things music wise. It's not like people are going to be dusting off their old copies of Mt Eden on vinyl in ten years time to listen to it. I can see some dubstep I own living on in my listening habits for the rest of my life. I can't imagine any of this "what if I put a kick drum, a snare and a crappy sounding wobble over this track" sort of "dubstep" really living on. I mean it is possible for sampling to be an art form. Like how some of the best hip hop producers can make it that way. However I don't think that we have to worry about this whole talentless taking a popular song and turning it into dubstep by adding a wobble to it craze truly having any lasting impact.

yeah. no joke.

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sorry as its relevant, just had to add one of the oddest samples ever-

http://www.dubstepforum.com/hi-def-coco ... 37048.html

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