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Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:25 pm
by brettheaslewood
on the intro to my latest piece my kick drums tone sounds fairly high, which i don't mind, although as soon as my sub comes in that's it,droned out, and just sounds muddy.
how can i get around this problem?
automated eq?
sub to loud? - if i turn the volume of it down, it just becomes nothing.
here is preview of the tune so you can understand what im talking about
Soundcloud
p.s the majority of this tune is demo still. including that god awfull vocal sample haha
well now, on soundcloud the kicks there and only my sub sounds pretty errewchch
if anyone has any tips on anything i'd be pretty gratefull
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:33 pm
by victor w
I used to have the same problem. I work with reason so I used the equalizer and lowered the bass on the sub wobble that was distorting my kicks and raised it by an octave and it sounds great now.
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:43 pm
by brettheaslewood
Raising the subbass in this instance though i think will kill the track ;/
victor when can i hear your tracks?
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:44 pm
by Pedro Sánchez
Just turn the sub down and hipass the sub out of you kick.
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:48 pm
by LordBid
the answer is very simple, hipass/eq kicks, sidechain the kick and sub. Meaning u could use sidechain compression or just strait volume sidechain, poof magic unmud.
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:19 pm
by beerz
sounds to me that you have some sort of limiter on the master out. lowering the relative level of the whole tune would avoid this (if that's the problem).
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:22 pm
by FSTZ
sidechaining is the answer
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:28 pm
by brettheaslewood
i've not ever once had a lesson in production, i've just taught reason to myself.
can anyone explain sidechaining or am i gonna get the "USE THE SEARCH" reply ;p ?
Cheers for this information by the way guys, really appreciate it.
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:33 pm
by Pedro Sánchez
brettheaslewood wrote:i've not ever once had a lesson in production, i've just taught reason to myself.
can anyone explain sidechaining or am i gonna get the "USE THE SEARCH" reply ;p ?
Cheers for this information by the way guys, really appreciate it.
Youtube Search
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:47 pm
by FSTZ
brettheaslewood wrote:i've not ever once had a lesson in production, i've just taught reason to myself.
can anyone explain sidechaining or am i gonna get the "USE THE SEARCH" reply ;p ?
Cheers for this information by the way guys, really appreciate it.
http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/pro ... in-reason/
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:07 pm
by freakah
FSTZ wrote:sidechaining is the answer
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:16 pm
by WeedKeepa
Just today i mastered side chaining, and boy im glad i did
definately worthwhile sitting down and getting to grips with
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:25 pm
by stappard
brettheaslewood wrote:on the intro to my latest piece my kick drums tone sounds fairly high, which i don't mind, although as soon as my sub comes in that's it,droned out, and just sounds muddy.
how can i get around this problem?
automated eq?
sub to loud? - if i turn the volume of it down, it just becomes nothing.
here is preview of the tune so you can understand what im talking about
Soundcloud
p.s the majority of this tune is demo still. including that god awfull vocal sample haha
well now, on soundcloud the kicks there and only my sub sounds pretty errewchch
if anyone has any tips on anything i'd be pretty gratefull
As a starting point, have:
Kick, peaking at -10db, low cut at around 80-90 (not too severe of course), small peak around 100. And small means, like, 3db.
Sub, peaking at maybe -13db, high cut around 80-90 and a broad gentle boost at around 50-60hz. Low cut around 20-30hz but you knew that anyway.
Honestly shouldn't be a reason why your kick and sub can't work together without the need for intricate EQing, sidechaining, whatever.
This is just a guide of course, read the mixing thread.
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:28 pm
by FSTZ
yeah
I lived without sidechaining until last december...
but now my tracks have that oomph that I always felt they were missing
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:29 pm
by brettheaslewood
look forward to learning
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:34 pm
by WeedKeepa
100% get on it. One of the best techniques i've learnt to date. Found a handy tutorial for fl if anyones in need.
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:38 pm
by staticcast
beerz wrote:sounds to me that you have some sort of limiter on the master out. lowering the relative level of the whole tune would avoid this (if that's the problem).
This. It could just be the Soundcloud quality though. Either way, your EQing doesn't sound too out of whack, I'd look into sidechaining the sub off the kick instead.
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:21 pm
by victor w
brettheaslewood wrote:Raising the subbass in this instance though i think will kill the track ;/
victor when can i hear your tracks?
haha its almost an honor to hear that. well I've only finished 2 dubstep tracks and have about 4 dubstep tracks that are halfway where I ended production. I've only been producing dubstep for a month but I've been producing in general for 6 months. so I won't be rendering any tracks for a while
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 12:15 am
by Depone
freakah wrote:FSTZ wrote:sidechaining is the answer
Gotta disagree with ya there. Sidechaing can be a fix, but i wouldnt jump to it unlesss it REALLY needed it. Try Hi passing your kick to around 80hz
Re: Subbass destroying my kick
Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 12:21 am
by th@-pu$$y
SIDECHAIN
