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Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:03 pm
by antics
1. If I'm cranking out my gangsta tunes and I want to write a chord structure, Do I keep the same chord and just switch notes? Or am I meant to be switching chords as well? Because I don't understand that if i'm writing in a minor scale, do I not need to be using a minor chord? :S

2. If I then having made my chord structure (which you may assume rocks) and I then want to make a single note bass riff to follow, would I use the top note of each chord to build my bass?

3. I'm under the assumption that stuff which plays together must play the same notes at the same time, as I got slated recently for having my bass out of tune with my pads. How does this work? Does it always have to be the same note? How would I do the equivalent of a solo on top without playing different notes?

Would love to get some serious answers if anyone has the time to write :)

Cheers, Antics.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:08 pm
by Mortal
yeahhh id be interested in the asnwer to these aswell

all i do is set fruity loops to minor chords
and then rock out a melody until it sounds pleasing to my ear.
god knows what a note is? :?

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:19 pm
by Morphexsektor
if you play it all in the same key, then you wont go out of tune. It is rather hard to go out of tune if you play everything in the same key. Write your melodies in basslines in the same key and you are good to go.

If you write a song in C for example then continue to write the rest in the same key and you will be good to go my friend. :5:

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:24 pm
by Frodo Bassbins
Mortal wrote:
all i do is set fruity loops to minor chords
:?
how do you do this?

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:26 pm
by zitanb
Most riffs have a simple chord structure of a couple of bass notes that are in the same key ( = scale). If you know the notes in the scale that really helps. If you are using A minor (for example) it has no sharps or flats - so thats just all the white keys. Every minor scale has a major equivalent btw (a minor = c major). Look up some scale basics .... All instruments need to be in the same scale to sound right - but not necessarily the same notes. If you know basic chords that makes finding a melody really easy. A minor is just A - C - E - these notes will give you a good starting point for a pad melody.

Check this thread out: http://www.dubstepforum.com/music-theor ... 54823.html

Z.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:36 pm
by yamaz
Your best bet is to check out websites for music theory, or even better get a book on the subject.

Bass usually has the same root notes(bottom note of chord typically) as your melody and chord progression. So when your melody moves up or down to another chord, your bads follows.

You don't want to play chords with the bass cause itll sound like fat girls wrestling in the mud, so you drop out the other notes of the chord. You can and should vary it up and add notes in between the root note progressions such as on 1/4 or 1/8th spacing...but definitely stay iin same key and chord progression.

Often I just use my ears to find what sounds good..Btw, the bass serves to bridge the rhythm of the drums with the melody of your song.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:53 pm
by Morphexsektor
zitanb wrote:Most riffs have a simple chord structure of a couple of bass notes that are in the same key ( = scale). If you know the notes in the scale that really helps. If you are using A minor (for example) it has no sharps or flats - so thats just all the white keys. Every minor scale has a major equivalent btw (a minor = c major). Look up some scale basics .... All instruments need to be in the same scale to sound right - but not necessarily the same notes. If you know basic chords that makes finding a melody really easy. A minor is just A - C - E - these notes will give you a good starting point for a pad melody.

Check this thread out: http://www.dubstepforum.com/music-theor ... 54823.html

Z.
Nicely put Dude :D

basically youll need to know what key you want, find the scale and then bass all your riffs and that off the scale such as C-Minor (C/D/Eb/F/G/A/B/C: Ascending) you will want to base all rifs and basslines and so on around those notes and chords within.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:06 am
by logic pro
1. If I'm cranking out my gangsta tunes and I want to write a chord structure, Do I keep the same chord and just switch notes?
no

Or am I meant to be switching chords as well?
yes
Because I don't understand that if i'm writing in a minor scale, do I not need to be using a minor chord? :S
not if you really have chord stucture going

2. If I then having made my chord structure (which you may assume rocks) and I then want to make a single note bass riff to follow, would I use the top note of each chord to build my bass?
no the root note

3. I'm under the assumption that stuff which plays together must play the same notes at the same time, as I got slated recently for having my bass out of tune with my pads. How does this work?
train your ears,listen to chords, find the root, heavy modulation often detunes stuff...
Does it always have to be the same note?
wtf, no
How would I do the equivalent of a solo on top without playing different notes?
one note solo?

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:08 pm
by Recessive Trait
antics wrote:1. If I'm cranking out my gangsta tunes and I want to write a chord structure, Do I keep the same chord and just switch notes? Or am I meant to be switching chords as well? Because I don't understand that if i'm writing in a minor scale, do I not need to be using a minor chord? :S

2. If I then having made my chord structure (which you may assume rocks) and I then want to make a single note bass riff to follow, would I use the top note of each chord to build my bass?

3. I'm under the assumption that stuff which plays together must play the same notes at the same time, as I got slated recently for having my bass out of tune with my pads. How does this work? Does it always have to be the same note? How would I do the equivalent of a solo on top without playing different notes?

Would love to get some serious answers if anyone has the time to write :)

Cheers, Antics.
is this for real? i seriously hope you are taking the piss.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:09 pm
by Recessive Trait
Mortal wrote:all i do is set fruity loops to minor chords
dear god, please tell me you guys are joking.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:12 pm
by serox
Troll I think.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:50 pm
by wirez
antics wrote:1. If I'm cranking out my gangsta tunes and I want to write a chord structure, Do I keep the same chord and just switch notes? Or am I meant to be switching chords as well? Because I don't understand that if i'm writing in a minor scale, do I not need to be using a minor chord? :S
If you're writing a chord progression, then what you're writing is a selection of different chords. So yes, you would have to change the entire chord. By switching notes in those chords, you will be changing chords though?

If you're writing in a natural minor scale this doesn't necessarily mean you have to use only minor chords, it only means you have to use the scale to give an overall minor impression. Natural minor scales are EXACTLY the same as their relative majors. The easiest way for me to explain how to use a minor scale with minor feeling, without having to result to using just the minor chords, is as follows (it may not be 100% correct, but it should get you started and you can learn to correct me as you progress)

- Base your melodies around the intervals used in minor chords.
- Generally you'll want to use a declining note pattern to make something seem more 'sad'.
- When you know what scale you're using, start with the note of the Aeolian mode (modes are quite advanced so look into these only after you've learnt all of your major scales off by heart). This is another name for the natural minor scale. For example in C Major the scale is as follows - C, D, E, F, G, A, B. If you started in the Aeolian mode, which is the sixth note of the major scale then the natural minor scale or aeolian mode would be as follows A, B, C, D, E, F, G.

Notice that the scale you're using is exactly the same, it's just you're basing your writing around the 6th note of the scale, giving it a minor feeling.
antics wrote:2. If I then having made my chord structure (which you may assume rocks) and I then want to make a single note bass riff to follow, would I use the top note of each chord to build my bass?
It would generally be based around the bottom notes, but you would probably want to make some alterations for extra flavour.
antics wrote:3. I'm under the assumption that stuff which plays together must play the same notes at the same time, as I got slated recently for having my bass out of tune with my pads. How does this work? Does it always have to be the same note? How would I do the equivalent of a solo on top without playing different notes?
No, not everything HAS to follow the same notes as each other at all, although there is a name for music which is written like this.

These are the ways music for more than one instrument can be written against one another -

Heterophonic - Where the instruments are all playing the same melody but in a different way. For example One instrument might be playing the melody at half the tempo of another or playing a different rhythm.

Homophonic - Where all the instruments are playing against each other in harmony. This is pretty standard for most pop music, where a vocalist might be playing the higher note of a chord, another instrument playing the middle notes and a bass playing the bottom notes of a chord.

Polyphonic - Where all instruments are playing the same melody at the same time.

Monophony -Where one instrument is playing one note at a time.

All of these playing styles can be further broken down into which harmonic intervals you're playing like in unison where you play exactly the same note, in octave where one instrument is playing the same note exactly one octave higher or lower or at a perfect fifth, where one instrument is 7 semitones above another.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:14 pm
by antics
Can people allow this troll stuff, clearly i'm not a troll...

Thanks to all the responses and I shall be looking into all this junks shortly

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:04 pm
by kaiori breathe
Nice response wirez, spot on :)

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:04 am
by gravity
look for the ravenspiral music theory guide on google, its free and its really good. opened my eyes to lots of what i now realize is actually really simple stuff but used to find actually mind boggling.

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:46 pm
by Depone
It all depends. Key changes can be amazing given the right track

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 1:30 pm
by wirez
Depone wrote:It all depends. Key changes can be amazing given the right track
This is true, but the dude needs to learn how to stay in key properly before he starts thinking how to change key properly!

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 2:50 pm
by Depone
:z:
wirez wrote:
Depone wrote:It all depends. Key changes can be amazing given the right track
This is true, but the dude needs to learn how to stay in key properly before he starts thinking how to change key properly!
:z:

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:00 pm
by SesG
Frodo Bassbins wrote:
Mortal wrote:
all i do is set fruity loops to minor chords
:?
how do you do this?
Open up piano roll

Arrow in the top left

Select 'Chords'

Massive list opens - pick one and play.

I usually select one just to remind me what key and notes I need to play with - and then play with until it sounds good to my ear, all minor gets kinda boring but simple things like chord inverts add alot :)

Re: Melodies, Chords And Other Badmantings....

Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 10:20 pm
by zitanb
wirez wrote:
Depone wrote:It all depends. Key changes can be amazing given the right track
This is true, but the dude needs to learn how to stay in key properly before he starts thinking how to change key properly!
Absolutely + 1