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Im an oldschool head, therefore i only use FL 5, can anybody help me on making a nice sub, check my myspace, see what you think for the tracks ive done so far. I've got some good ideas, but a subs....all....i....nnnnneeeee---eeeeeeeedddd

Any VST that kicks out a sine wave.

Be on the lookout for 808 samples for that rapid pitch drop (gives it more punch). You could try lowpassing a square wave if you're finding the sine a bit nondescript and characterless

Something I did find that seemed to help was when dealing with the sub was that the sub punch generally seems to be heaviest around 50-70hz and fairly wooly below that (you can still feel/hear it to about 20-30hz). If you low shelve at-12db at around 30-40hz and boost a few db between 50-70hz that does seem to make a lot of difference to the physicality of the sub.

Tiny bit of overdrive never hurts either (not too much though)

Shonky wrote:Be on the lookout for 808 samples for that rapid pitch drop (gives it more punch). You could try lowpassing a square wave if you're finding the sine a bit nondescript and characterless

Something I did find that seemed to help was when dealing with the sub was that the sub punch generally seems to be heaviest around 50-70hz and fairly wooly below that (you can still feel/hear it to about 20-30hz). If you low shelve at-12db at around 30-40hz and boost a few db between 50-70hz that does seem to make a lot of difference to the physicality of the sub.

Tiny bit of overdrive never hurts either (not too much though)

thanks man, what do you think of the sub in the track on my myspace (not the 1 called fresh)

use the 3osc in fruity man, its perfect for it n you can use the lfo's in one of the other tabs [can't remember which one] to give it a bit of movement. Only prob i find with it is it sounds a bit sluggish so you gotta eq it fairly tightly

3xosc - top two on sine- drop the coarse (CRS) on the top two... all the way- drop the third vol knob all the way off.

Bam! sub!

oh, and play with the fine's if you want some wobble...
add back the last osc on triangle or something if you want some extra flavor

Shonky wrote:Be on the lookout for 808 samples for that rapid pitch drop (gives it more punch). You could try lowpassing a square wave if you're finding the sine a bit nondescript and characterless

Something I did find that seemed to help was when dealing with the sub was that the sub punch generally seems to be heaviest around 50-70hz and fairly wooly below that (you can still feel/hear it to about 20-30hz). If you low shelve at-12db at around 30-40hz and boost a few db between 50-70hz that does seem to make a lot of difference to the physicality of the sub.

Tiny bit of overdrive never hurts either (not too much though)

good tips on square wave and overdrive, but have u tried that eq tip with a woofer or on a club system? i was under the impression that the physicality comes from all the stuff below about 50hz... i dont have a sub at home or easy access to a big system so i cant try it out.

Shonky you're right on with the eq there. It's worth applying exactly what you said about eq to the actual pitches used too. This chart is super-helpful.

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/notes.html

So if you're juggling your bassline between, say, B1 and F1, you're going to feel the punch of the higher pitch and the real rumble of the lower.

Don't low-shelve it above the freq of your lowest note though: it's just going to affect the level/impact of that note. Same goes at the top end.

blood_on_neon wrote:Shonky you're right on with the eq there. It's worth applying exactly what you said about eq to the actual pitches used too. This chart is super-helpful.

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/notes.html

So if you're juggling your bassline between, say, B1 and F1, you're going to feel the punch of the higher pitch and the real rumble of the lower.

Don't low-shelve it above the freq of your lowest note though: it's just going to affect the level/impact of that note. Same goes at the top end.

Yeah, good advice. Heard someone on (probably) DOA saying that if you work with filter and resonance on the really low notes, if you go through and resample when they hit that particular sweet spot where they really pop out the speaker at ya, and do that for an octave say, and then just load it back in as a multisample you'll have a pretty solid, hard hitting, punchy sub. Had a quick go at it and it seemed to come out pretty good

I don't know (or care particularly) how it works, but experiment with it and see what happens.

Man.. i need to go back to school.

I should have a bang at that really: haven't played with the resonance loads. I guess it's to do with adding harmonics or summat.

Vonboyage wrote:Man.. i need to go back to school.

u and me both m8