Can someone from the UK please explain to this American what grime is. I dunno if I get it. Is it 130 bpm british rap? And they rap faster and emphasize different down beats than hip hop?
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:22 pm
by fractal
it came from UKG (or UK garage) it's mostly 140bpm
signals wrote:people dont know what grime is in cali?
hah dude cmon, no one takes british rap seriously in the states. I don't think I even know anyone whose even tried to listen to it. I was just looking it up out of curiosity.
I still don't see what defines it. How is it not just rap, but with a faster beat, and a fast flow? I mean I guess its not really hip hop cuz its doesn't have the same roots and the whole sampling thing and general amen break, but is that all it needs to be it's own thing?
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:47 am
by hackman
mashmash wrote:and is now like this
erm, that's not grime
funky maybe?
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:50 am
by dj seizure
hackman wrote:
mashmash wrote:and is now like this
erm, that's not grime
It's funky
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:59 am
by hackman
yeah i knew it was funky before i posted it, was just trying to be sarcastic and patronising
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:49 am
by HRKRT
briskisgoodforu wrote:
signals wrote:people dont know what grime is in cali?
hah dude cmon, no one takes british rap seriously in the states. I don't think I even know anyone whose even tried to listen to it. I was just looking it up out of curiosity.
I still don't see what defines it. How is it not just rap, but with a faster beat, and a fast flow? I mean I guess its not really hip hop cuz its doesn't have the same roots and the whole sampling thing and general amen break, but is that all it needs to be it's own thing?
i think that from the subject matter, style of instrumental, and lyrics you can easily tell a grime tune from a hip hop tune. also i listen to a lot of grime, but not a lot of hip hop (anymore) so it is important for it to be its own thing. Ultimatly its come from different roots ie. the UK garage scene.
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:28 pm
by mashmash
hackman wrote:
mashmash wrote:and is now like this
erm, that's not grime
funky maybe?
i was saying that this is what people are calling grime these days
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:45 pm
by mashmash
briskisgoodforu wrote:
signals wrote:people dont know what grime is in cali?
hah dude cmon, no one takes british rap seriously in the states. I don't think I even know anyone whose even tried to listen to it. I was just looking it up out of curiosity.
I still don't see what defines it. How is it not just rap, but with a faster beat, and a fast flow? I mean I guess its not really hip hop cuz its doesn't have the same roots and the whole sampling thing and general amen break, but is that all it needs to be it's own thing?
It's not 'british rap'. a lot of it may just sound similar to hip-hop today but the difference is grime is a lot less sample based unlike hip-hop where the beat is nearly all just samples. more of an emphasis on the bass as well, and grime is usually 140bpm compared to 80-100 for hip-hop and the beat can vary from a half-step pace to whatever. dubstep and grime have similar roots and didn't really have any hip-hop influence when it started at all. Just because there are MCs spitting over the beats, it doesn't make it hip-hop. UK hip-hop is very different.
like this
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:26 pm
by butterz
grime is still difficult to define to me
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:13 pm
by legend4ry
HRKRT wrote:
briskisgoodforu wrote:
signals wrote:people dont know what grime is in cali?
hah dude cmon, no one takes british rap seriously in the states. I don't think I even know anyone whose even tried to listen to it. I was just looking it up out of curiosity.
I still don't see what defines it. How is it not just rap, but with a faster beat, and a fast flow? I mean I guess its not really hip hop cuz its doesn't have the same roots and the whole sampling thing and general amen break, but is that all it needs to be it's own thing?
i think that from the subject matter, style of instrumental, and lyrics you can easily tell a grime tune from a hip hop tune. also i listen to a lot of grime, but not a lot of hip hop (anymore) so it is important for it to be its own thing. Ultimatly its come from different roots ie. the UK garage scene.
Indeed. I remember a few UK Hiphop people saying that Grime IS Englands answer to hiphop, in as "street music" (even though I hate words like "street" and "urban" .....) so I guess in non-'it came from uk garage' terms, you could say its Englands take on hiphop.
I personally live by the 'it came from ukg' theory haha..
Either way grime is messy and theres some instrumentals what you'd go absolutely doolally over and its worth investing time into learning the roots and progression to its (in my opinion) dreadful decline.
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:30 pm
by jungletime21
briskisgoodforu wrote:
signals wrote:people dont know what grime is in cali?
hah dude cmon, no one takes british rap seriously in the states. I don't think I even know anyone whose even tried to listen to it. I was just looking it up out of curiosity.
i wouldn't speak for everyone in the states man, there's some serious british heat that i'm aware of, love this video too haha
ill let you off the hook since its our independence day
Re: What Is Grime?
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:24 pm
by HRKRT
butterz wrote:grime is still difficult to define to me
jokes
to be fair grime has really been pushed to some different places recently, butterz show perfect example of this
