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				Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:50 am
				by judge_banks
				Hey all,
      I've been reading through the forums for a while, but this is my first post so hope I'm not repeating anything here.  I've been trying for a while to try and get some nasty wobbles in reason 4, especially ones that use limited processing because I run an old ibook g4 1.42 ghz which can only handle so much.  I had a major breakthrough the other day when I used the FM pair oscillator in Thor for the first time.  Frequency modulation seems to be a really great way to get some dirty wobbles.  I set the carrier to one and the "mod" to three, and then from there on out I experimented with different waves in different oscillators until I got an awesome sound.  From there you can automate the lfo or use the filter envelope to shape the sound.  This got me a really filthy bass sound without any further processing, but of course you can go the route of splitting the signal (running the output of your THOR through the spider audio splitter, and then splitting the frequencies into low, mid, high, and a dry signal) and applying different fx to each part of the frequency spectrum.
Hope this helps somebody, and hopefully I'll have some finished tracks up on soundcloud (soundcloud.com/saturngtr81) soon.
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:45 am
				by victoryaloy
				welcome.. nice!!
yeah.. thor is great!
i just used subtractor in a track..  (its the wip on my soundcloud if you wanna check it out  

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I never experimented with subtractor until i went to do this track..    it has a lot of potential and should def not be overlooked..
I always thought that reason was all about thor..  little did i know!
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:48 am
				by Anain
				Thanks for sharing. I haven't tried that for a bass yet, sounds fun!
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:29 pm
				by jsteezy
				....we have wobbles
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:35 pm
				by EBR
				*taking notes*  

 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:06 am
				by yamaz
				victoryaloy wrote:welcome.. nice!!
yeah.. thor is great!
i just used subtractor in a track..  (its the wip on my soundcloud if you wanna check it out  

 )
I never experimented with subtractor until i went to do this track..    it has a lot of potential and should def not be overlooked..
I always thought that reason was all about thor..  little did i know!
 
Uh, why did you like subtractor eh?
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:31 am
				by victoryaloy
				yamaz wrote:
Uh, why did you like subtractor eh?
many reasons..  its a good synth!  My main point was not to over look it!  Thor is good..  but also give subtactor a shot!
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:36 am
				by Dr Bloodnugget
				Subtractor gives some of the nicest sounds IMO. I use subtractor in almost all my tracks =]
Peace
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:39 am
				by victoryaloy
				Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Subtractor gives some of the nicest sounds IMO. I use subtractor in almost all my tracks =]
Peace
the tutorial you posted the other day was sick!  I think it made its way in the production bible.
I'm glad you jumped in here..   I've seen what you can do with subtractor!
..did you use it for the bass in your new track??
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:44 am
				by Dr Bloodnugget
				Yeahhh all subtractor resampling. Haha cheers. I guess people dont realise how crazy reason can get 

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Peace.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:11 pm
				by nitz
				All you really need is a sine wave and maybe some tape... That normally works too in "dubstep"  
 
Good luck in your wobbles. Atter you got the basic wobble going, or FM like you have:
Detune
Dis
Compress
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:36 pm
				by sixth sense
				Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Yeahhh all subtractor resampling. Haha cheers. I guess people dont realise how crazy reason can get 

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Peace.
 
How do you go about resampling in reason? In every other day this was simple for me but I can't seem to figure out a good method within reason.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:46 pm
				by victoryaloy
				sixth sense wrote:Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Yeahhh all subtractor resampling. Haha cheers. I guess people dont realise how crazy reason can get 

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Peace.
 
How do you go about resampling in reason? In every other day this was simple for me but I can't seem to figure out a good method within reason.
 
solo track.. loop section..  export loop as audio.. import into NN-XT
.that what i'd do!
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:52 pm
				by sixth sense
				victoryaloy wrote:sixth sense wrote:Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Yeahhh all subtractor resampling. Haha cheers. I guess people dont realise how crazy reason can get 

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Peace.
 
How do you go about resampling in reason? In every other day this was simple for me but I can't seem to figure out a good method within reason.
 
solo track.. loop section..  export loop as audio.. import into NN-XT
.that what i'd do!
 
That's what I was thinking but I wanted to know if he is exporting the whole bassline or just one long note then applying lfo/effects etc..
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:58 pm
				by judge_banks
				sixth sense wrote:victoryaloy wrote:sixth sense wrote:Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Yeahhh all subtractor resampling. Haha cheers. I guess people dont realise how crazy reason can get 

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Peace.
 
How do you go about resampling in reason? In every other day this was simple for me but I can't seem to figure out a good method within reason.
 
solo track.. loop section..  export loop as audio.. import into NN-XT
.that what i'd do!
 
That's what I was thinking but I wanted to know if he is exporting the whole bassline or just one long note then applying lfo/effects etc..
 
I think one of the main points of resampling would be to save your cpu, so I would think to apply all the fx, and then export your bassline, but leave the lfo because you can use the NNXT's lfo to modulate the filter later which should make life easier in the long run.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:44 pm
				by DJ Crackle
				I learn so much here.
It makes me feel completely useless as a producer.
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:22 am
				by Wrigzilla
				DJ Crackle wrote:I learn so much here.
It makes me feel completely useless as a producer.
Haha, I don't need this forum to make me feel useless as a producer.   I just do anyway.
Joke, you are allways your own worst critic.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:12 am
				by sixth sense
				judge_banks wrote:sixth sense wrote:victoryaloy wrote:sixth sense wrote:Dr Bloodnugget wrote:Yeahhh all subtractor resampling. Haha cheers. I guess people dont realise how crazy reason can get 

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Peace.
 
How do you go about resampling in reason? In every other day this was simple for me but I can't seem to figure out a good method within reason.
 
solo track.. loop section..  export loop as audio.. import into NN-XT
.that what i'd do!
 
That's what I was thinking but I wanted to know if he is exporting the whole bassline or just one long note then applying lfo/effects etc..
 
I think one of the main points of resampling would be to save your cpu, so I would think to apply all the fx, and then export your bassline, but leave the lfo because you can use the NNXT's lfo to modulate the filter later which should make life easier in the long run.
 
Lol I know it's to save CPU that's why I do it my computer is a piece of shit but I still apply lots of effects to something that I've resampled then I tend to resample that again and again until I have the sound I'm looking for I'm just use to working with audio and reason doesn't support that so the resampling is quite different to me that's why I wanted to see what other techniques people are using 

 
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:16 am
				by Dropkick_Kid
				Applying a vocoder to midranges and highs is nice imo.
			 
			
					
				Re: Breakthrough in Reason 4
				Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:40 pm
				by Dr Bloodnugget
				I resample slightly differently. After putting my first sound through the sampler in reason I use a vocoder to modulate that sound into a seperate bass to get that real chunky sound. If you keep doing this getting low mid and high then you can get some real nice sounds 

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Peace