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Just think some of the newer guys could do with a good listen and evaluation here. I dont think it really sinks in too some people... but... this drives it home.

Biggup the youtube recommend vids!

Looks like they should turn it up by a couple db more

I don't get it, if people want there stuff to sound like that I say let 'em

I don't have to listen to it

if you mean the original its probably leveled with the album, the whole thing has to have a consistency of volume to the ear and balance of elements.

Great video. Not much more you can really add to that really XD

EDIT: Makes me kinda wanna stop putting limiters on my tracks altogether :\ problem is then you have to turn the gain knob up LOADS when mixing your tunes with others... I normally push about 2 db over the limiter if that makes sense? Doesn't really feel like I'm squasing the dynamics to me but It's hard to tell when my ears are still quite untrained (though I can hear the difference in that vid is massive). Is that a reasonable amount to be limiting?

I've never even used a limiter once. Probably not the best of ways to produce but at least I don't sound like that lol.

well I would like to say that as a FL studio person the new version have the preset patch with a limiter on it and I find that it vastly helps my mixdowns on its default setting, it keeps everything a little bit more udner control. Limiters are great, don't be a bitch!

I would like to point out that I do not put a limiter on my final wav tho because It does have that tendency to fuck things up I love my dynamics and dont want them squashed into a fucked up mess.

i talked to mala yesterday- and he told me sme very interesting things about dynamics...


DO NOT LIMIT YOUR STUFF!!

Who knew that one day people would be using Nevermind as an example of a NON over-produced album. Shit's weird.

i like limiting... it's not my fault!! whenever i listen to the radio, they've got the signal running with a hefty amount of squeeze... it just has a particular way of making the beat push itself around that can be very interesting.. it's what my ears are used to.
just like all tools, master limitering should be used subtly... too much is never a good thing

LordBid wrote:well I would like to say that as a FL studio person the new version have the preset patch with a limiter on it and I find that it vastly helps my mixdowns.

please stop using the fruity limiter.

i use the slightest of limits for rendered versions i intend to play out. before i started doing this some of my errant peaks would make the occassional unpleasant noise. with just a touch of limiting (not to boost the volume, just to tame the peaks) i retain all my dynamic range without bursting audience eardrums.

Recessive Trait wrote:

LordBid wrote:well I would like to say that as a FL studio person the new version have the preset patch with a limiter on it and I find that it vastly helps my mixdowns.

please stop using the fruity limiter.

i use the slightest of limits for rendered versions i intend to play out. before i started doing this some of my errant peaks would make the occassional unpleasant noise. with just a touch of limiting (not to boost the volume, just to tame the peaks) i retain all my dynamic range without bursting audience eardrums.

yes

kaiori breathe wrote:I've never even used a limiter once. Probably not the best of ways to produce but at least I don't sound like that lol.

You just blew my mind! How do you get such loud and punchy mixes then?? I assume your still mixing to between -3 to -6 but your tunes sound louder than mine which are brought up to about 2 over 0 with a limiter (which I have now just vowed to never do again lol XD)

there are good limiters you know, like the uad precision limiter which is based on bob katz k-system
limiting just for the sake of it is kind of lame, but when used in conjunction with other mixing and mastering techniques properly it's a valuable tool

I hate listening through a whole band's collection and suddenly you're blasted with their newest album that's twice the volume.

stompzi wrote:Who knew that one day people would be using Nevermind as an example of a NON over-produced album. Shit's weird.

so true. :]

therapist wrote:I hate listening through a whole band's collection and suddenly you're blasted with their newest album that's twice the volume.

and it sounds like shit.

Well, I like dynamics and only use limiters when really needed.

like i said bob katz k-system of metering when you want to limit and maintain dynamics

I think the relevance of the loudness war to dancefloor-based EDM is really overstated, to be honest, for two reasons:

1) Dancefloor EDM is, by its very nature, quite uniform in level anyway -- there's not much dynamic range to suck out. On the whole, "contrast" in EDM comes more from timbre than peak level. You're making tracks whose wobble bass is meant to be as loud as the wobble bass on the next track, no more, no less. It's not like you're destroying the energy of the chorus coming in from the verse. Of course, there are exceptions -- lots of shitty mainroom techno and electro being made where the breakdown is so compressed that you can barely hear the kick coming back in -- but IMHO it's not such a common problem. And if clubs had better soundsystems (which is really the issue here) you could master as quietly as you wanted and just turn it up at the DJ mixer (see point 2).

2) No matter how loud you master your track, on all but the best soundsystems it's probably gonna be hitting a limiter at the end of the chain anyway. Often better to make this happen at the mastering stage -- where the limiters used will probably be quite good -- than in the club, where they're probably running shit through a Behringer.

On the whole, though, I don't limit very much.