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Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:33 pm
by netrik
Anyone got any good recommendations for a good linear phase eq vst? I was using waves LinEq but it seems to slighty delay whatever track its on :u:
Thanks

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:35 pm
by symmetricalsounds
are you using FL by any chance?

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:37 pm
by Basic A
symmetricalsounds wrote:are you using FL by any chance?
Our multiband is pimp :moedee:

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:39 pm
by netrik
Ableton:( wish it had a stock linear phase

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:41 pm
by symmetricalsounds
ah i dunno then, just a mate of mine used the roger nichols frequalizer after i recommended it to him once and got the same delay thing going on.

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:54 pm
by netrik
Hmm... well I know not to get that one then;) thanks

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:55 pm
by symmetricalsounds
netrik wrote:Hmm... well I know not to get that one then;) thanks
well i use that all the time on ableton and never notice any delay being introduced, which is why i asked what DAW cos mate uses FL.

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:57 pm
by macc
Linear phase eq has to delay the signal, by default.

Why do you need a linear phase eq?

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:21 pm
by staticcast
macc wrote:Linear phase eq has to delay the signal, by default.

Why do you need a linear phase eq?
A well-designed plugin should tell the DAW how much latency it introduces, though, so it can compensate (provided you're not monitoring live, obviously). Is there a "plug-in latency compensation" preference somewhere in your DAW that's unchecked?

But yeah, I would evaluate whether or not you really need one. They don't necessarily sound better. They're actually arguably worse on material with sharp transients, because they can introduce a small amount of pre-ringing. Nonlinear phase response is not necessarily a bad thing.

Trivia for the day: you can make any standard filter minimum-phase by running your audio through it first forwards, then once again backwards. :t:

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:42 pm
by logic pro
voxengo curve eq...its not so expensive

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:56 pm
by macc
static_cast wrote: A well-designed plugin should tell the DAW how much latency it introduces, though, so it can compensate (provided you're not monitoring live, obviously). Is there a "plug-in latency compensation" preference somewhere in your DAW that's unchecked?
Aye... I was trying to get at that - I think FL studio is one of the few that doesn't have PDC though :|

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:01 pm
by 3za
macc wrote:
static_cast wrote: A well-designed plugin should tell the DAW how much latency it introduces, though, so it can compensate (provided you're not monitoring live, obviously). Is there a "plug-in latency compensation" preference somewhere in your DAW that's unchecked?
Aye... I was trying to get at that - I think FL studio is one of the few that doesn't have PDC though :|
We (FL users) finally got PDC this year :D

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:01 pm
by egoless
macc wrote:
static_cast wrote: A well-designed plugin should tell the DAW how much latency it introduces, though, so it can compensate (provided you're not monitoring live, obviously). Is there a "plug-in latency compensation" preference somewhere in your DAW that's unchecked?
Aye... I was trying to get at that - I think FL studio is one of the few that doesn't have PDC though :|
I think this will be fixed in the next update...

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:30 pm
by netrik
macc wrote:Linear phase eq has to delay the signal, by default.

Why do you need a linear phase eq?
Ableton has delay compensation and it works great for most plug-ins including izotopes linear phase EQ but for some reason it doesn't work for Waves. I Use them sometimes during mixdown. I usually just switch between regular and linear phase just to see what sounds better for the sound...

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:33 pm
by netrik
Thanks for the reply's. I guess I should also ask for one that doesn't take a bunch of Cpu. I have Izotope ozone's linear phase but it takes to much Cpu to use very often...

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:39 pm
by deadly_habit
logic pro wrote:voxengo curve eq...its not so expensive

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:40 pm
by netrik
deadly habit wrote:
logic pro wrote:voxengo curve eq...its not so expensive
Cheers. Will check this out....

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:42 pm
by netrik
symmetricalsounds wrote:
netrik wrote:Hmm... well I know not to get that one then;) thanks
well i use that all the time on ableton and never notice any delay being introduced, which is why i asked what DAW cos mate uses FL.
Ohh ok, cool. Will look into it:)

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:44 pm
by netrik
deadly habit wrote:
logic pro wrote:voxengo curve eq...its not so expensive
Free actually?- http://www.voxengo.com/product/curveeq/

Re: Linear Phase eq's

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:52 pm
by logic pro
nope, if you press shopping cart it says $89.95