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So I kinda already asked this question a while ago, but im thinkin maybe I didnt pose it correctly so here goes.

I have noticed when analyzing my DB meter on my Subs mixer bus, as the notes change, the DBs tend to rise and fall and I was hoping someone knew a simple fix for this problem. In other words, I would love it if I could keep the DBs at a constant level but don't know how.

Last time someone suggested that i use Fletcher Munson curves to correct this issue but truthfully I am a little unsure as to how i should go about this. Should i just get an EQ and slap the same curves on it that are found on the Fletcher Munson diagram?

Anyways thanks in advance for your help guys

AfterEmpire wrote: as the notes change, the DBs tend to rise and fall

you already have the answer , use the volume fader ...

So u suggest that I Automate the volume slider the whole track as the notes change?

Seems like theres gotta be a simpler way...

AfterEmpire wrote:So I kinda already asked this question a while ago, but im thinkin maybe I didnt pose it correctly so here goes.

I have noticed when analyzing my DB meter on my Subs mixer bus, as the notes change, the DBs tend to rise and fall and I was hoping someone knew a simple fix for this problem. In other words, I would love it if I could keep the DBs at a constant level but don't know how.

Last time someone suggested that i use Fletcher Munson curves to correct this issue but truthfully I am a little unsure as to how i should go about this. Should i just get an EQ and slap the same curves on it that are found on the Fletcher Munson diagram?

Anyways thanks in advance for your help guys

Sub is so hard to get right! I suppose solutions would either be to automate the volume fader (which might be a massive ball ache if you can't copy automation clips in your DAW) or try using a multiband compressor so that it's just compressing the subs, set the threshold just below the lowest peak of the sub and then adjust ratio to taste, I'd probably go for a reasonably low attack if it's the "first hit" that is too loud and a middlish ratio. hope this helps.

Now that Bob Katz guy has some good Information. Ima try that technique

volumen automation works for me , i automate my main sub line then just copy and paste

GRAYSKALE wrote:

AfterEmpire wrote:So I kinda already asked this question a while ago, but im thinkin maybe I didnt pose it correctly so here goes.

I have noticed when analyzing my DB meter on my Subs mixer bus, as the notes change, the DBs tend to rise and fall and I was hoping someone knew a simple fix for this problem. In other words, I would love it if I could keep the DBs at a constant level but don't know how.

Last time someone suggested that i use Fletcher Munson curves to correct this issue but truthfully I am a little unsure as to how i should go about this. Should i just get an EQ and slap the same curves on it that are found on the Fletcher Munson diagram?

Anyways thanks in advance for your help guys

Sub is so hard to get right! I suppose solutions would either be to automate the volume fader (which might be a massive ball ache if you can't copy automation clips in your DAW) or try using a multiband compressor so that it's just compressing the subs, set the threshold just below the lowest peak of the sub and then adjust ratio to taste, I'd probably go for a reasonably low attack if it's the "first hit" that is too loud and a middlish ratio. hope this helps.

And thanks too GreySkale and Zuta. Hope these ideas helps to level this problem out.

I swear tho, theres gotta be a VST that would just Hold the DB level at a given range.

searching for the easiest way to do something can often lead to subpar results. especially when other techniques are being ignored to opt for whats "easier".

eqing like in the video and volume automation are pretty easy anyway. i think with a little attention to detail those methods will work well.

the last option that is closest to putting on a vst that will just hold it at the same db level would be compression/limiting but that may lead to a flat unfunky probabably distorted clippy sound.

(of course theres the inverse to that too; not opting for the easiest way to do something can lead to long tedious flow killing methods as with most anything production related its about finding a balance between easy and logical and more difficult and labor intensive.)

good luck!

If your sub is changing dB on different notes then it's not a sub.

A sub is a sinewave, and when played at different pitches, the frequency it produces changes, this does not change the dB. Have you applied any sort of EQ or inserts to your bass?

If you want your sub to sound clean, high pass any other instruments that will intefere with your sub, that is a good start. And also, don't bloody overdue your sub and drown out the rest of your shiz, remember, aslong as the sub is in the mix, nice and clean, it's going to sound good on a good system, fact.

some frecuencies are perceived louder than others even if they have the same rms , that's a fact

zuta wrote:some frecuencies are perceived louder than others even if they have the same rms , that's a fact

Agreed and true, but the OP is saying his "sub" changes RMS...

vviiper wrote:If your sub is changing dB on different notes then it's not a sub.

A sub is a sinewave, and when played at different pitches, the frequency it produces changes, this does not change the dB. Have you applied any sort of EQ or inserts to your bass?

This, just use a standard sine

what i'm saying is :even if you have your dbfs at the same level the percieved volumen will rise and fall

Yeah I know, and I agree, but I think OP is getting at his actual level meter rising and falling, not just percieved to be moving...

zuta wrote:what i'm saying is :even if you have your dbfs at the same level the percieved volumen will rise and fall

just irrelevant to the ops question. his levels in dB WERE changing

freakah wrote:Yeah I know, and I agree, but I think OP is getting at his actual level meter rising and falling, not just percieved to be moving...

i know man , i was only giving another point of view at the problem

Are you using a sample of a sine wave? Or are did you make it with a synthesizer?

I'm guessing you already did, but I would think the ASDR Parameters would affect your volume jumping around.

Mess with the decay level making it level with the peak of your attack. Makes the volume not jump around as much.

samkablaam wrote:

zuta wrote:what i'm saying is :even if you have your dbfs at the same level the percieved volumen will rise and fall

just irrelevant to the ops question. his levels in dB WERE changing

maybe i'm saying USE YOUR EARS and don't worry about your levels

I said Sub Bass because I was referring to the Bass that I have which is occupying the Sub frequency range.
I was not aware that the term "Sub" applied to only a Sine wave and nothing more. This is actually the first time i have ever heard this concept suggested.

Moreover, The Bass i am using is a Pure "Sine"

I Havent put any EQs or Filters on the synth with the exception of the LP filter than my synth has built in.

freakah wrote:Yeah I know, and I agree, but I think OP is getting at his actual level meter rising and falling, not just percieved to be moving...

This.

Not talkin perceived volume.

I am just sittin here watching my DB meter and it doesnt stay constant.

AfterEmpire wrote:I said Sub Bass because I was referring to the Bass that I have which is occupying the Sub frequency range.
I was not aware that the term "Sub" applied to only a Sine wave and nothing more. This is actually the first time i have ever heard this concept suggested.

Moreover, The Bass i am using is a Pure "Sine"

I Havent put any EQs or Filters on the synth with the exception of the LP filter than my synth has built in.

freakah wrote:Yeah I know, and I agree, but I think OP is getting at his actual level meter rising and falling, not just percieved to be moving...

This.

Not talkin perceived volume.

I am just sittin here watching my DB meter and it doesnt stay constant.

What synth you using? Might be worth investing in a few high quality sine wave samples and then just bunging them in a sampler - pretty sure that would solve the problem of dB fluctuation. I know a lot of people use this technique - off the top of my head Subscape and High Rankin' (I know they aren't the best examples), but, regardless, it is a good technique.