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Hiya. Most of my hardcore kick drums are basically just heavily processed 909s with a long tail. Some sound good, but they're a bit too 'old school' for my liking.

I'm more after.... a modern sound.

Examples:



2:44 and on



2:54 and on



1:16 and on

These are all quite different, but they all appeared to be pretty clean with noisy but relatively agressive distortion and much less 'BOING' if you know what I mean. Also some degree of bitcrushing...

I know this is not the most hardcore friendly place on the internet, but I know some have done some hardcore in the past...

You may wanna check out using convolution on these kicks, for starters...

Try other kicks.

Try out Junglist! Its a very good synth for making percussion and kicks. As far as I know many hardstyle producers use it, hardcore producers probably does too.

I once made a patch with alchemy, I slid a filter through the spectrum really fast and it started oscillating. Also try making a 808 kick patch with a synth, but using a square wave, then distort, compress, distort again, limit, eq, distort etc and layer it with a punchy kick.

Try µtonic, and after it's like a reece (layer/distortion /noise/sidechain) over a heavy compressed kick

2mb1o wrote:Try µtonic, and after it's like a reece (layer/distortion /noise/sidechain) over a heavy compressed kick

µtonic =

digital clipping and layering

God I hate that style of music..

now if you'd have asked for angerfist-style kicks i'd know the answer (layered squares and other nasty waves with a very short envelope modulating the pitch) but these... are something different. don't think they're that distorted, it sounds like a pretty clean kick with distorted noisy stuff after it
i have no idea bout the kicks themselves, but the noisy bits afterwards are sidechained to the kick. high ratio and short release.
btw, i like those a lot more than the midrange-noisy stuff like evil activities or angerfist. they're like the bro/filth of gabber i guess

hasezwei wrote: btw, i like those a lot more than the midrange-noisy stuff like evil activities or angerfist. they're like the bro/filth of gabber i guess

rofl

id prolly spend a day synthesising it with that working algorythm in mind :

1- find similar kick somewhere in a pack or in a song... look at it, analyse it,
2- tweak it to taste if its not exactly how u want it using : bitcrushing, saturation, transient shaper.. etc... set effect chain to optimise its sound (slight mono chorus stuff like that)... small small verb if you like its tail to sound good.
3- load up a synth.
4- tweak a similar kick against it using squares, envelopes, and filters, and compare (do an a/b pattern)..
5- once u like it, save it, restart... ull end up with 3-4-5 or maybe even 6 good sounds , if u want to call that good :S (ew gabber)

id prolly start by detuning squares or saws with proper adsr and put a pitch envelope on it.

why you producin gabber bro?

God a lot more replies than I thought! Thanks everyone. I'll definitely try a lot of this shiz... I never really tried to synthesize my own hardcore kicks anyway.

But the first and last song are 'industrial hardcore' and I never got the industrial bit except for perhaps the kicks. Now, I didn't go for an industrial sample, but I remembered actually having sidechained a very low guitar 'chug' from an intro from a Jesu tune and to a clean kick like a year ago. It sucked, but I reopened that file and I layered the sample over the 909 kick, filtered it, removed the sidechaining and put distortion on top of it. Sent both channels to a send........ sounds pretty close to what I want.

The Teknoist's tune definitely applies sidechaining, though. o.o

NRHc wrote:God I hate that style of music..

whomp whomp whomp... whompwhompwhomp whomp whomp whompwhompwhomp

I swear those kicks cover the entire frequency spectrum lol... vengeance has some nice hardstyle kick samples

if ur lazy nexus has tons of shit sounding kicks

Genevieve wrote:but I remembered actually having sidechained a very low guitar 'chug' from an intro from a Jesu tune

i think i love you, first breakcore now jesu
i actually spent the last night playing jesu riffs with my bass guitar connected to the laptop using guitar rig.

The Teknoist's tune definitely applies sidechaining, though. o.o

toldya the whole synthesizing your own kick thing is mad fun but i don't think it will get you far when going for that "industrial" sound, just use relatively clean kicks and go really crazy with the sidechained noise.

theres a nice gabba kick what comes with reason, i'll see if I can find the .wav for you once I reinstall it.

I use a pulswave on a synth, make it into a kick drum sound with the envelope generator, and add some healthy distortion. Makes for a real nasty kick. If you don't know how to make a kickdrum from scratch, this tutorial will get you on the right path.

http://daskreetz.com/freeklow/2010/11/2 ... m-machine/

hasezwei wrote:

Genevieve wrote:but I remembered actually having sidechained a very low guitar 'chug' from an intro from a Jesu tune

i think i love you, first breakcore now jesu
i actually spent the last night playing jesu riffs with my bass guitar connected to the laptop using guitar rig.

The Teknoist's tune definitely applies sidechaining, though. o.o

toldya the whole synthesizing your own kick thing is mad fun but i don't think it will get you far when going for that "industrial" sound, just use relatively clean kicks and go really crazy with the sidechained noise.

Yeah, I've always been aware of that kick sound, there's lots of sidechaining in modern day UK gabber.... I know I said 'kick', but to me, the actual kick + the sidechained part together are the 'whole kick'. It's really the distorted noise that I'm after.. but I think it's filtered 'found sounds' soaked in distortion.

therook wrote:

NRHc wrote:God I hate that style of music..

whomp whomp whomp... whompwhompwhomp whomp whomp whompwhompwhomp

I have no issues at all with straight four to the floors, but since the whole breakcore thing happened, lots of hardcore producers mix it up a lot. Lots of cut up breaks, restriggering and syncopation.

Not after hardstyle kicks, though. I reaally don't like hardstyle. o.o