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right as you guys know it's Christmas, which means that for somebody of my age I have an opportunity to get some decent gear. But the thing is, I was looking round and I have about £130 to spend on something with faders... Obvious choice would be the Behringer BCF2000, right? I already have a padKONTROL, a MIDI Keyboard and a BCR2000, just so you know what I'm already working with. I'm getting a Novation Launchpad too.

But the thing I don't like about the BC- Series of control surfaces is that the build quality is shit. I broke an encoder on my BCR within the first 30 minutes of demoing the thing. And I'll be looking to do a lot of live stuff, with my BCR launchpad and so on. So I was wondering would it be better to get an M-Audio Oxygen 49 and use the faders on that and have the ability to use two keyboards for playing live etc.? (I use Ableton with Reason 5 rewired).

So what do you guys think? Thanks in advance!

Ok some1 correct me but as midi is only 0-127 you cant just keep mapping new controllers to stuff (yeah it wud be fucking awesome and wud make playing live a hell of alot easier and when some1 offers a solution like midi2 ill be the first to cop that) cause you ll just have a tone of overlapping midi notes...especially if your using 2 midi keyboards. Wat you need for playing live seriously is one really solid controllable unit and 1 set of keys...and then work within its limitations and try to find solutions. If your using abes i wud recommend the apc r an mpd beyond your budget but it really is worth saving up selling old equip to get something decent. If your really interested in playing live pm me for any help with your live set up i can share my live templates to give you some ideas r likewise any knowledge you can share.

silkpantsman wrote:Ok some1 correct me but as midi is only 0-127 you cant just keep mapping new controllers to stuff

yea you can

but they overlap??

silkpantsman wrote:but they overlap??

no
each controller is on it's own independent device the only way they'll overlap is if you map two of the controllers to the same parameters

silkpantsman wrote:Ok some1 correct me but as midi is only 0-127 you cant just keep mapping new controllers to stuff (yeah it wud be fucking awesome and wud make playing live a hell of alot easier and when some1 offers a solution like midi2 ill be the first to cop that) cause you ll just have a tone of overlapping midi notes...especially if your using 2 midi keyboards. Wat you need for playing live seriously is one really solid controllable unit and 1 set of keys...and then work within its limitations and try to find solutions. If your using abes i wud recommend the apc r an mpd beyond your budget but it really is worth saving up selling old equip to get something decent. If your really interested in playing live pm me for any help with your live set up i can share my live templates to give you some ideas r likewise any knowledge you can share.

I have a Korg padKontrol which is my 'MPD'. I'm getting a launchpad instead of an APC, because it's nice to have the larger grid. Plus I'm getting something with faders too so that eliminates the need for an APC. And thanks for the offer but I prefer it working my own way around software and finding my own techniques, not using someone else's.

silkpantsman wrote:but they overlap??

I'd have both controllers assigned to different instruments.

silkpantsman wrote:but they overlap??

I'd have both controllers assigned to different instruments.[/quote]
you can have them on the same instrument just not the same parameters

deadly habit wrote:

silkpantsman wrote:but they overlap??

no
each controller is on it's own independent device the only way they'll overlap is if you map two of the controllers to the same parameters

k this sounds epic and is gona help me alot but why does my axiom controller change parameter ive mapped on my mpd??
@Kermit i wud nt use any1 elses live set up either its all about how you set it up yourself and then you know the ins and out of how it works but if you did nt mind id like to c how your running your live set up for ideas??

deadly habit wrote:

silkpantsman wrote:but they overlap??

I'd have both controllers assigned to different instruments.

you can have them on the same instrument just not the same parameters [/quote]

yeah i realise this and its how i set up but you still get overlapping midi changing your other instrument yeah it may be un armed but its still changing it...no??

silkpantsman wrote:

deadly habit wrote:

silkpantsman wrote:but they overlap??

I'd have both controllers assigned to different instruments.

you can have them on the same instrument just not the same parameters

yeah i realise this and its how i set up but you still get overlapping midi changing your other instrument yeah it may be un armed but its still changing it...no??[/quote]
no

Well Deadly let everybody know how you have done it!

I know some Faderfox controllers can go beyond 127

2 things:
That's a lot of gear to bring, all w overlapping features;

And there are 16 MIDI channels, each with 127 notes. If your mappings overlap, chances are its because the channels aren't set correctly.

that and i'm assuming your software has the ability so set what midi device is being used for each instrument

For main sets I wouldn't worry about bringing two MIDI Keyboards I'd just bring the Oxygen, with my BCR2000 and my Launchpad.

And I'm assuming Ableton can, I think I saw Engine-EarZ did it, and if not I know reason definitely can.

Sharmaji wrote:2 things:
That's a lot of gear to bring, all w overlapping features;

And there are 16 MIDI channels, each with 127 notes. If your mappings overlap, chances are its because the channels aren't set correctly.

cool this sounds like my problem...if any1 wants to try help me out id be very gr8ful...does this have to be set at the device or in my software (ableton)?

Well on my PadKontrol it's a setting on the device, I suppose that you might have to use the editor software with other devices though maybe?

KermitDubstep wrote:Well on my PadKontrol it's a setting on the device, I suppose that you might have to use the editor software with other devices though maybe?

yeah id say so...cheers for the help my ignorance in midi has led to some gud stuff! ive been mistaking the padKontrol for the nanoPad for most of this thread.

Sharmaji wrote: And there are 16 MIDI channels, each with 127 notes. If your mappings overlap, chances are its because the channels aren't set correctly.

This

silkpantsman wrote: cool this sounds like my problem...if any1 wants to try help me out id be very gr8ful...does this have to be set at the device or in my software (ableton)?

You set it on the device. Often it's in the controller software that comes with it. Ableton will then read that new channel when you start mapping it. I have had to do this for my live setup which includes an APC20, a NanoKontrol and a Novation Nocturn.

Sorry guys, not to be a dick but... I think we answered his question. Can we get back on topic please?

Your thread title is "Yet Another MIDI thread", not "What Controller Should I Get"....... (and there are 50 million of those threads.)

Get a NanoKontrol or something. An Oxygen49 is really big to be lugging around for live shit but if you want to do it, then do it.