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Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:46 pm
by alphacat
This is either "Holy Fucking Shit!" or "What the hell kind of controls were in place to prevent falsa data?!"

Because if this can be corroborated... :o
PCWorld.com wrote:
DNA Molecules Can 'Teleport,' Nobel Winner Says


A Nobel Prize winning biologist has ignited controversy after publishing details of an experiment in which a fragment of DNA appeared to 'teleport' or imprint itself between test tubes.

According to a team headed by Luc Montagnier, previously known for his work on HIV and AIDS, two test tubes, one of which contained a tiny piece of bacterial DNA, the other pure water, were surrounded by a weak electromagnetic field of 7Hz.

Eighteen hours later, after DNA amplification using a polymerase chain reaction, as if by magic the DNA was detectable in the test tube containing pure water.


Oddly, the original DNA sample had to be diluted many times over for the experiment to work, which might explain why the phenomenon has not been detected before, assuming that this is what has happened.

The phenomenon might be very loosely described as 'teleportation' except that the bases project or imprint themselves across space rather than simply moving from one place to another.

To be on the safe side, Montagnier then compared the results with controls in which the time limit was lowered, no electromagnetic field was present or was present but at lower frequencies, and in which both tubes contained pure water. On every one of these, he drew a blank.

The quantum effect - the imprinting of the DNA on the water - is not in itself the most contentious element of the experiment, so much as the relatively long timescales over which it appears to manifest itself. Quantum phenomena are assumed to show their faces in imperceptible fractions of a second and not seconds minutes and hours, and usually at very low temperatures approaching absolute zero.

Revealing a process through which biology might display the underlying 'quantumness' of nature at room temperature would be startling.

Montagnier's experiment will have to be repeated by others to have any hope of being taken seriously. So far, some scientists have been publically incredulous.

"It is hard to understand how the information can be stored within water over a timescale longer than picoseconds," said the Ruhr University in Bochum's Klaus Gerwert, quoted by New Scientist magazine, which broke the story (requires registration).

What does all of this mean? It could be that the propagation of life is able to make use of the quantum nature of reality to project itself in subtle ways, as has been hinted at in previous experiments. Alternatively, it could be that life itself is a complex projection of these quantum phenomena and utterly depends on them in ways not yet understood because they are incredibly hard to detect.

Speculatively, (and Montagnier doesn't directly suggest anything so unsubstantiated), it could also be the little-understood quantum properties of the water molecule and not just its more obvious chemical bonding properties that gives it such a central role in the bio-engineering of life-forms. Water might be a good medium in which DNA can copy itself using processes that hint at quantum entanglement and 'teleportation' (our term).

Montagnier's paper goes on to discuss the phenomenon he claims to have uncovered using 'quantum field theory' within the context of his personal interest, disease propagation.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:48 pm
by alphacat
More.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... -thinks-so

And the scientist's paper, which describes the experiment setup - which could be fairly easily replicated it looks like.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/101 ... 5166v1.pdf

-q-

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:19 pm
by 64hz
wow.
i'm going to be following this closely, if these findings are repeated. . .
It could be that the propagation of life is able to make use of the quantum nature of reality to project itself in subtle ways, as has been hinted at in previous experiments. Alternatively, it could be that life itself is a complex projection of these quantum phenomena and utterly depends on them in ways not yet understood because they are incredibly hard to detect.
mind = blown

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:44 pm
by lloydnoise
occam calls bullshit on this. sounds like some homeopathy vibe to me, I hope I'm wrong because if it's true, shit just got real

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:59 pm
by NickUndercover
Holy fucking shit, I need to find the only Dune I lack

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:08 pm
by magma
lloydnoise wrote:occam calls bullshit on this. sounds like some homeopathy vibe to me, I hope I'm wrong because if it's true, shit just got real
This.

Awaiting more.... :o

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:16 pm
by 64hz
lloydnoise wrote:occam calls bullshit on this. sounds like some homeopathy vibe to me, I hope I'm wrong because if it's true, shit just got real
see that was my first reaction, but what nobel winner would go and throw all his credibility out with some dodgy inference?

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:19 pm
by esfandyar
quantum mechanics are so poorly understood. interesting read though! I think using the term teleportation is a little bit loaded.. but lets hope that Montagnier continues further research showing why these findings happen (even though DNA fragments are there only for picoseconds).

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:50 pm
by alphacat
I have no idea accepting the idea of EM wave emissions from DNA, or for that matter the idea that these waves are being utilized in biology in subtle but profound ways; this, however, goes way beyond that.

And yeah, my incredulity-meter was buried in the red - again, not so much that I can't wrap my head around the possibility of such a thing perhaps being so, but rather - how easily demonstrable it appears here.

I'm definitely following this one.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:09 am
by HRKRT
this guy is either going to go in history as a genius or a tit.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:43 am
by christophera
occams tells me y'all dismiss too much. teleportation's been real for a while. makes sense dna can do it.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:44 am
by christophera
it ain't any weirder than copying a file from one part of a drive to another location.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:50 pm
by christophera
the persistence of time is a construct of our brain. time is free. which means space is free too.

it's anthropic to assume dna is restricted to our brain's perception of space.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:00 am
by noam
i concur

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:37 am
by AxeD
lloydnoise wrote:occam calls bullshit on this. sounds like some homeopathy vibe to me, I hope I'm wrong because if it's true, shit just got real
If true, shit got real. Haha that's such a weird comment to make if it actually would be proven right.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:45 am
by Swissdub
Will this mean we can teleport? if not....who cares.


i want to teleport...

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:07 pm
by dreamizm
christophera wrote:it ain't any weirder than copying a file from one part of a drive to another location.
You've missed the point.

Who is doing the copying?

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:02 pm
by frank grimes jr.
Fucking Parson wtf.

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:37 pm
by stephisaint
dreamizm wrote:
christophera wrote:it ain't any weirder than copying a file from one part of a drive to another location.
You've missed the point.

Who is doing the copying?
If there was no preconception telling you you couldn't teleport, you might be able to do it too :glasses:
Seems plausible that life/dna would find a way to move into an envionment suitable for it to replicate in imo, though pretty wierd all the same

Re: Nobel Biologist says DNA Can Teleport Itself

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:21 am
by christophera
y'all dumb