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Solar Storms

Post by 64hz » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:32 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 21706.html
Havoc wreaked by a solar storm – such as the one that occurred last week – could be equivalent to a "global hurricane Katrina" that would cost up to $2 trillion dollars in damage to communications satellites, electric power grids and GPS navigation systems, scientists said yesterday.

Thursday's solar flare was the biggest for four years and ejected billions of tons of matter travelling at a million miles per hour towards Earth.

When it hit our magnetic field it generated magnetic storms and power surges which disrupted communications and grounded flights

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by wubstep » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:54 pm

I feel people should be freaking out a bit more.

I can easily see pandemonium coming about from lack of communication and transport.
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by cityzen » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:03 pm

wubstep wrote:I can easily see pandemonium coming about from lack of communication and transport.
Time to bust out my Dad's sextant and my book on smoke signals....
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Post by test_recordings » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:49 am

You do realise that this wouldn't be a problem if technology used electron valves instead of shitty transistors? 'Valves are immune to electro-magnetic forces because they have larger, tougher and more separated parts.
In the 'Cold War' a Mig Type-79 landed in Okinawa, Japan, as the pilot had decided to defect. NATO got excited because they were scared from rumours that this plane had anti-EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) shielding to keep it operating even within the blast-radius of a nuclear weapon and they wanted to check it out... Turned out the solution was actually a lot lower tech than they had expected, instead of mega-advanced EMP-shielding the Russians had just used rugged electron valves which did the job even better :lol: NATO's forces at the time were more vulnerable to EMPs because they'd put all their research efforts in to developing transistors which still didn't match up...
I remember reading about research about miniaturisation of 'valves to make them useful in a wider range of situations (they are still kind of big because more research went in to transistors than perfecting existing technology), hopefully more effort will be put in to it but I bet it won't be until after something daft happens (e.g. a HUGE solar flare that catches everyone with their pants down) that it will go ahead.
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by d-T-r » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:11 pm

Sun has been going off recently. funny to hear it on mainstream radio + news :)

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by Dub_freak » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:33 pm

Solar maximum next year, going to be a lot of activity leading up to it. I'd get a solar telescope if i could afford one :P
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by test_recordings » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:33 pm

I wonder what it did today...
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by magma » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:35 pm

There's a Horizon on this on the iPlayer at the moment that I haven't got round to watching yet. There was a good doc last year too...

It's one of those things I guess... we've had a few fairly big ones and it's not caused too many problems, but theoretically, yeah, it could fuck plenty of shit up. Probably won't... most of the world's important IT and power systems are massively fail-safed... it'd take something absolutely enormous to cause much more than a few days of inconvenience - I doubt we'd really see much more effect than we do when it snows and we're not ready.

We can't do a lot to prevent it, so it's an odd one to worry about too much... we'll deal with it, we're pretty fucking awesome.
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by magma » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:35 pm

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by gnome » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:51 pm

More chance to catch the northern lights!

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by ascent » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:18 pm

magma wrote:There's a Horizon on this on the iPlayer at the moment that I haven't got round to watching yet.
watched that yesterday, it annoyed me because it took forever to say not very much.

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by kay » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:27 pm

Don't have to jump all the way to electron valves, it's possible to shield against the induced current spikes. However, it's costly and heavy so no one does. Switching the circuits off also helps.

However, yes, we're woefully unprepared for this despite knowing for years it's going to happen. More of the pointless shortsightednesss of humanity.

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by MrAural » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:55 pm

I'm rather shitting myself.

Has anyone actually issued a guide on what to do?
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by fractal » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:10 pm

y2k pt 3

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by MrAural » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:12 pm

fractal wrote:y2k pt 3

stay tuned for y2k pt 4 (mayan vip) out on 12/21/12
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Solar Storms

Post by alphacat » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:04 pm

Good opportunity for our species to work on its emotional maturity and get it up to speed with our technological maturity.

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by knell » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:09 pm

fractal wrote:y2k pt 3

stay tuned for y2k pt 4 (mayan vip) out on 12/21/12
first bit of sense in this thread.

have none of you taken Astronomy/Cosmology 101 before?

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Re: Solar Storms

Post by LACE » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:30 pm

knell wrote:
fractal wrote:y2k pt 3

stay tuned for y2k pt 4 (mayan vip) out on 12/21/12
first bit of sense in this thread.

have none of you taken Astronomy/Cosmology 101 before?
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