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When making a drum beat, do you...

Post by zawmbee » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:13 pm

Have an original idea of how you want it to sound and stick to this?
Write down the notes needed before even starting?
Or have an original idea of how you want it to sound, and then work from there?
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Post by Maell_CF » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:26 pm

Its hard to know exactly what drums you're giong to need at the very start of a track, unless you have something very specific in mind. And your bass wont sound its best without some sort of precussion behind it, so I usually start with a 4 4 beat, get to work with some synth and basslines then play around with compression before going back and making the final beat and any variation that i intend to use in the song.

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Post by wub » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:29 pm

I build the main body of the track first - synth, melody, sample whatever. Then add the drums and bassline around that. Build the drums to the track, not the other way round.

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Post by lloydy » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:35 pm

you should always pick the drums depending on the type of track you wanna make,like if i'm making a track with a lot of sub i will pick a kik without a lot of low end,all the hits i use in my tracks i pick for specific reasons.I normally sit down and write a few different beats in one night then come back to them out a later date,like using percussive elements normally i will come to kits i have pre built up with a lot of different sounding percussive hits like bongo,shakers....etc Bulilding kits i use battery,ultrabeat or kontakt.i think this is also a good way to work because if you are like me i have thousands of drum samples and searching through them for certain hits can be a nightmare.When i start building a track i normally start just having a jam on my keyboard with a sound i made or something like that record it in midi then build the drums around it and just let it flow from there really.
Recently i have found myself chopping breaks up i have had for years then using these for my drums instead,what i will do is bring the break into logics arrange as audio time stretch it to fit the project tempo then start dicing it up and rearranging the break to suit my track,you can do this to breaks to accompany the beats you have written or use them as the soul body of your beat.
I think you should learn all ways of writing beats whether it is writing them first and then adding other elements or writing then when you have other elements going its all good practice.The more practice you give yourself the quicker you will find you can get your ideas down but understanding the proper hits to use i think is crucial to learning to write decent beats also layering your drums to make them sound fuller is also something you should teach yourself.Its all about the practice,practice makes perfect!!
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Post by Pedro Sánchez » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:36 pm

Kick Hat Snare Hat @ 140 innit, no need for anything else.
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Post by zawmbee » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:40 pm

wub wrote:I build the main body of the track first - synth, melody, sample whatever. Then add the drums and bassline around that. Build the drums to the track, not the other way round.
Makes perfect sense. But, you'll build your synth? What exactly do you mean o:
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Post by jaimelee » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:43 pm

I'm with wub's idea, I can't really start with drums without at least having a harmoney to base it on.

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Post by wub » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:45 pm

zawmbee wrote:
wub wrote:I build the main body of the track first - synth, melody, sample whatever. Then add the drums and bassline around that. Build the drums to the track, not the other way round.
Makes perfect sense. But, you'll build your synth? What exactly do you mean
Find a patch I like, or else get a new synth I'm not too familiar with and play around with it. I'm using FL, so have Edison running at all times to capture what I'm doing. Play a few small melodies or whatever on the MIDI keyboard. Save any patches or playbacks that I like, sample bounce, drop it back in as audio, whatever, then bring the drums and the bassline in to fill in around it.

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Post by hakka » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:37 pm

I always always start with drums. Never plan how i want them, just load samples into Groove agent and program a nice simple kick snare beat. Then i concentrate on percussion to really add some diversity to the track. Sometimes i go as far as creating a whole intro of just drum edits before adding anything else. Really gives me creativity when i get round to adding pads, foley etc. Plus it really helps you concentrate on keeping the drums interesting. I always side chain 1 kick and assign the other parts to 6 different channels for delays and different reverb types.
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Post by drokkr » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:54 pm

Drums first, every time. The only exception is if I have installed a new vst and I'm playing around with it and a sound triggers an idea.

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Post by vertx » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:13 am

zawmbee wrote:Have an original idea of how you want it to sound and stick to this?
Write down the notes needed before even starting?
Or have an original idea of how you want it to sound, and then work from there?
All of the above.

And i almost always start with drums and percussion

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Post by nowaysj » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:42 am

What ever I start out a track with ends up either being chucked, or digested into something else. Took me a long time to just accept that, delete those first 32 bars and get on with the real inspired shit.

I usually start with drums. Actually, a little less lately, it is disconcerting.
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Post by PR1NCE » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:34 am

Best way you should start. Especially producing dubstep is to start it off simple.. Easy KICK, SNARE... KICK SNARE ... KICK SNARE... and go from there.. once your pretty comfortable where your at, try elaborating with what you got and spice your beat up OR NOT ..
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Post by Shum » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:07 am

Most of the dance stuff I've written has started from the bassline and building the rest of my rhythm around that.

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Post by RmoniK » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:14 pm

i start out with a kick on 1 and and a snare on 3, then process that, then make the rest of the song, then work on the beat itself.

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Post by AxeD » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:56 pm

wub wrote:I build the main body of the track first - synth, melody, sample whatever. Then add the drums and bassline around that. Build the drums to the track, not the other way round.
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Post by Dreadfunk » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:28 pm

I always start with at least a simple kick snare pattern, and sometimes that inspires me on what I want to do with my leads/basses.

I nearly always change the drum pattern after I have the track more fleshed out.

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Post by nowaysj » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:20 pm

^ I don't like metronomes. Simple kick snare pattern often is a better metronome, if you're going to work in that way.
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Post by jaydot » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:34 am

yeah I always start off with my bass and build from there... it's also very tough to know what the beat will sound like pre-production but the more you experiment then the better it will sound
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Post by deadly_habit » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:36 am

i generally always start with my drums and have an idea of what i want from the get go

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