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first, hello to all .

i recently discovered burial and i know music genres like IDM etc. also know that burial sampled a lot, but if sampled good why not!

still trying to figure out what he used for atmospheres/pads/textures.

but is there a tutorial for setting up for example the piano roll in fl studio, what beattime etc. so you got a burial-like rhythm like this example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHtNPzaH ... re=related

i dont want just to copy but learn and try it out for myself.

would be very appreciated .

intricacy comes with practise. I think the idm forums would be better for you than dsf, tbh

check youtube, should have a few tuts there for waht you're after.

Don't quantize, remove the auto quantize setting in FL. just throw stuff in where it sounds good. One bit of advice on sample choice, less is more. Don't over crowd it, keep it simple and skanky

Burial is entirely sample based - you can gather this by what DAW he used for his first few EP's - Soundforge... The synthesis options in it are limited at best, so its a fair bet he was mostly stretching and pitching samples...

For a burial esque bass, try pitching down orchestral recordings, like violins, ect.

For his pads, timestretch some string samples out 1000%...

Get creative. Use samples and creative processing to generate a selection of sounds so that everything has similar 'textures'....

But creative sample processing is your answer... look into Paul's extreme sound stretch, and the time/pitchbend/tempo change tools in soundforge/audacity.

As far as his rhythms go, setting the quanitze grid to more finite amounts will yeild some nice results, but the only way youll really get his signature swing and groove is to outright turn the quantize off, and work in an environment free of grids.

Basic A wrote:As far as his rhythms go, setting the quanitze grid to more finite amounts will yeild some nice results, but the only way youll really get his signature swing and groove is to outright turn the quantize off, and work in an environment free of grids.

this, another tip, resample a hit with a bit of space infront of it and play around with were the sample starts on your drum rack/sampler or whatever, if that makes any sense, sorry i dont know the lingo.

zerbaman wrote:Don't quantize, remove the auto quantize setting in FL. just throw stuff in where it sounds good. One bit of advice on sample choice, less is more. Don't over crowd it, keep it simple and skanky

yup dont quanatize

Close the sequencer and switch to creating your beats in the playlist with wav files. The sequencer is going to make it much more difficult to get that type of structure as it limits you on where you can actually begin and end a sound. Turn off the snap to grid as well.

One thing that will hinder you is the fact that FL runs entirely on the set BPM. Burial did his drums in Soundforge which has no set bpm. This is where you will have to experiment a bit with with the bpm to bring things more in line with how you want it to sound. I've found that between 124 and 130 is a pretty nice speed for some more shuffley sounding beats.

Hope this helps.

http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... eat-221976

appreciated! i think i will try more now .

Spend some time programming some 2-step rhythms first. Just play around a little. That's what Burial was trying to copy with his beats anyway. Snares on the 2 and 4, triples, additional percussive elements (sidestick/rim shots) on other beats and swingy hi-hats are important.

What's mostly important when it comes to Burial's drums is also sample choice. His drums sound crazy 'cause he uses crazy samples.

as far as sound texture goes.. his music is VERY reminiscent of that video game haha metal gear solid, ive learned that he said he sampled it AFTER i made the comment to a friend of mine (i was a HARDCORE MGS player back then)...

the game itself has a lot of dark orchestrations with upright bass and violins and very blurry, distant, brass ensembles (@basic, i think ur right).

he also uses that very old school reese bass ( u can hear it in the beginning of certain songs such as gaslight)... for that id dig into some old school techno ... maybe the actual first reeses in tunes like terrorist by renegade..)

some of his drum sounds sound like video game sound effects (that hihat that sounds like a swordsfight comes to mind)

other then that he uses a lot of crackles, pink noise and such... when i was learning to produce grimy rap beats.. the new york/detroit style, ive quickly learned that tucking some dirt and noise between ur sample helps bringing cohesion to your sounds... it kinda blurs everything and gives a feel of logic to the whole thing... im pretty sure some of his drum samples are pretty rubbish before treatment...

i love burial.

and for the rythm : el-b ...

Ldizzy wrote: he also uses that very old school reese bass.

Everyone always says that, but he wouldnt have been synthesizing, and I think people are assuming he did because they are used to the more typical DAWs, but the synthesizers in soundforge are more simple tone generators, I can imagine itd be like trying to get a useful patch out of a red box... Pitch a violin an octave or two and see if you stand by the basses being reese based...

http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/347/?pageno=2
From halfway down page 2 to halfway down 3 he talks a bit about his production style.

Basic A wrote:

Ldizzy wrote: he also uses that very old school reese bass.

Everyone always says that, but he wouldnt have been synthesizing, and I think people are assuming he did because they are used to the more typical DAWs, but the synthesizers in soundforge are more simple tone generators, I can imagine itd be like trying to get a useful patch out of a red box... Pitch a violin an octave or two and see if you stand by the basses being reese based...

You don't have to synthesize a reese to use one. All my reeses, I created out of hardware reese samples.

I did just pitch down a violin and it doesn't sound much like what I hear in Archangel or Ghost Hardware.

If you're totally new to music I'm going to advise against what lots of people have said here. If you're completely inexperienced or just a beginner I really suggest you keep quantize ON; quantize is like your training wheels for this kind of music, if you jump right into trying to do things exactly like burial does you're gonna make things really hard on yourself. I'd suggest learning how to write 2-step beats and learning some standard garage patterns with the quantize on first. Then when you've got to grips with that you'll have a more solid base to start working without quantize and when you sit down to work without it you'll have a great deal more success than you would if you go in blind.

In the end everyone finds their own way of learning and doing things anyway, so, best of luck.

kaiori breathe wrote:If you're totally new to music I'm going to advise against what lots of people have said here. If you're completely inexperienced or just a beginner I really suggest you keep quantize ON; quantize is like your training wheels for this kind of music, if you jump right into trying to do things exactly like burial does you're gonna make things really hard on yourself. I'd suggest learning how to write 2-step beats and learning some standard garage patterns with the quantize on first. Then when you've got to grips with that you'll have a more solid base to start working without quantize and when you sit down to work without it you'll have a great deal more success than you would if you go in blind.

In the end everyone finds their own way of learning and doing things anyway, so, best of luck.

thanks for this, im not new to musicmaking but for this style. i thought there may be some video tutorials or step to step tutorial which shows the basics and then you can get your own style maybe .

ps.
is there some nice kits you can recommend for snares, hihats, kicks for this style? i dont mean a specific burial kit, but what kind of kit you would recommend before layering them?

Homeboy wrote:ps.
is there some nice kits you can recommend for snares, hihats, kicks for this style? i dont mean a specific burial kit, but what kind of kit you would recommend before layering them?

Just look for samples, any, on your own. Sample spotting can't be taught... just browse freesound for noises and think of how you can use them in a drum context.

Genevieve wrote:

Basic A wrote:

Ldizzy wrote: he also uses that very old school reese bass.

Everyone always says that, but he wouldnt have been synthesizing, and I think people are assuming he did because they are used to the more typical DAWs, but the synthesizers in soundforge are more simple tone generators, I can imagine itd be like trying to get a useful patch out of a red box... Pitch a violin an octave or two and see if you stand by the basses being reese based...

You don't have to synthesize a reese to use one. All my reeses, I created out of hardware reese samples.

I did just pitch down a violin and it doesn't sound much like what I hear in Archangel or Ghost Hardware.

i didnt mean he synthesized it.. nothing sounds synthesized in what he does besides that burial vs el b track entitled prophecy on youtube...

i really meant he sampled a reese bass, and i think he did it off some old record like the renegade joint...

Being young and fairly new to music, I know that jumping right into making song's exactly like 'this artist' or 'that artist' would be a foolish thing to do. I'm hooked to Dubstep, the vast, wide ranged genre it is. The thing about Dubstep is that you can be just going nuts with your friends to the huge bass drop in a song, or you can be embraced by a layer of fog, feeling like your sitting in a lawn chair in the middle of a road at midnight, with a street light in the distance giving off a tinted orange light.
That's the feeling I get from Burial, his beat might be a quick 2 - step, a sharp snare and a bonk of a bass, yet you're still listening in slo-motion. It embraces you.

Burial's natural way of putting a misty London road into his song, or his absolutely killer drum loops that takes an expert to break down, is magical, and fills me with envy!
What I'm doing is just practicing these 2 -step beats, my use of samples, and I'm working on manipulating samples, like affecting the pitch, adding delay, just making it sound different. It's hard to fit certain sounds into songs, I guess it requires practice and mature taste.

Just thought I'd throw my two pieces in.