Serious time, folks.

[legend4ry]

Just had a conversation with the 12th person to tell me that Production is going down the toilet.

This isn't good!!!


Now, I know Production will always be a jungle (for trolls) its part of the fun and laughs here and I know a lot of you do your main production talk else-where.

This isn't about Skrillex questions (they're always gunna be here).
This also isn't a place for me to moan at you lot like ya Dad.
No one will be named who has said what (unless they want to say).

This is just a open thread to say what you hate/like/want more of.

Even if you want other mods, this is open to discuss .





PLEASE NOTE!

Key points will be run as a poll and the production community will decide what changes (within the restrictions we have)

[travis_baker]

its the dumb questions that seem to piss people off the most, why not make a seperate spot for questions/fluctuating sea of ignorance and laziness.

[nowaysj]

Leg, I appear pessimistic, and to a large extent I am. But I think this thread can't help dsfp. I think dsfp is beyond help. Think we're looking at a new chapter of dsfp. This chapter is likely to be filled with inexperienced teenage producers sharing cobbled production half truths. Most of the experienced, talented, artistic producers have already left. This saddens me, honestly, because I've gained so much through dsfp. Not even joking that this place changed my life, and the way I work.

One potential solution is to have a two tiered forum, a shallow end, and a deep end (please don't mix metaphors here). It is clear that the google bot is sending every 15 yo producer with a cracked massive here. The board is over run with these people. If there was a separate area for more experienced producers, maybe, just maybe, dsf could retain some artistic/intellectual capital. Otherwise this board is going to be filled with myriad Chad the rapists, and no one of substance will remain.

I've argued against a two tiered dsfp several times over the years. But I've finally come around to the idea as a last ditch effort to keep something of value here on dsfp.

I've got nothing against the younger producers here, more power to them, and I vow to spend time in the shallow end fielding Fl Studio questions as well as general production questions, but I would really like to be able to carry on more serious conversations in peace.

[ctang]

Fm synthesis q and a!

[jrisreal]

im convinced that noways is talking trash about me
just kidding...but here on the production forum, people come to be helped and to learn how to produce, so you just gotta deal with kids who don't know their stuff. If you want to get in serious conversations, post a serious thread or get on AIM bro...

[nowaysj]

Don't like aim. Aim has its purpose, private focused conversation. But I generally prefer general public conversation. There's always been newbies around here, myself included to an extent, but it is all about the ratio. Way to many newbies now, way to few veterans.

And yes, I'm talking shit about you.

[jrisreal]

Don't like aim. Aim has its purpose, private focused conversation. But I generally prefer general public conversation. There's always been newbies around here, myself included to an extent, but it is all about the ratio. Way to many newbies now, way to few veterans.

And yes, I'm talking shit about you.

I KNEW IT, NOWAYS HATES ME AND WANTS ME OFF THE FORUM

[legend4ry]

At least two people in this thread have said something worth reading.

[Basic A]

Leg, I appear pessimistic, and to a large extent I am. But I think this thread can't help dsfp. I think dsfp is beyond help. Think we're looking at a new chapter of dsfp. This chapter is likely to be filled with inexperienced teenage producers sharing cobbled production half truths. Most of the experienced, talented, artistic producers have already left. This saddens me, honestly, because I've gained so much through dsfp. Not even joking that this place changed my life, and the way I work.

One potential solution is to have a two tiered forum, a shallow end, and a deep end (please don't mix metaphors here). It is clear that the google bot is sending every 15 yo producer with a cracked massive here. The board is over run with these people. If there was a separate area for more experienced producers, maybe, just maybe, dsf could retain some artistic/intellectual capital. Otherwise this board is going to be filled with myriad Chad the rapists, and no one of substance will remain.

I've argued against a two tiered dsfp several times over the years. But I've finally come around to the idea as a last ditch effort to keep something of value here on dsfp.

I've got nothing against the younger producers here, more power to them, and I vow to spend time in the shallow end fielding Fl Studio questions as well as general production questions, but I would really like to be able to carry on more serious conversations in peace.

Amen old timer.

[jrisreal]

im no 'old timer' here but im no noob to production either (maybe to some of the technical aspects, though lol)

but I agree that it would be nice to have a secret subforum for the people who are more experienced in production and know better what they are talking about. A sub-forum would actually probably take care of it since noobs never look at stickies, so why would they notice a subforum, right? Just a thought.

[Basic A]

im no 'old timer' here but im no noob to production either (maybe to some of the technical aspects, though lol)

Nah, I wasnt saying anything about his join date or his production knowledge, noways is like, literally an old guy haha, probably old enough to be your dad, why his occassional disgruntled attitude is to be expected.

[wub]

I'd like to see the stickies organised a bit better. Currently we have;

AIM list
WIP
Sample Pack 30
Sample Pack 29
Demo Panel

Could do with the How Do You Make This Sound Thread being made sticky, and a clearing up of the Sample Pack threads.

Also, the top announcement titled "Skrillex, Borgore, heavily processed bass : explained!" - could this title be amended to include the word MASSIVE so that it's the first thing that many people see when they check the board? Alternatively, a new announcement entitled "NI MASSIVE BASSLINE SYNTH - FAQ & COMPLETE GUIDE" be created, to include a repository of all Massive tutorials/links/threads/screenshots/patches etc etc. I'd have no problem collating a list should this idea be pursued, I've got a working list that I dish out half the time anyway.

Could also do with a similarly titled announcement thread re; £RESAMPLING - FAQ & COMPLETE GUIDE". Again, I've got a list of Resampling threads etc that I've been cutting and pasting, but if we had an announcement thread at the very top clearly labelled, it would cut down on a lot of the repeat threads.

I'm aware that a lot of this is covered in the Production Bible etc, but in all fairness the thread title Production Bible isn't all that clear, and I'm afraid to say that (and this is largely drawing on my Uni research into Human Computer Interaction within online communities, so bear with me), unless things are clearly labelled new users to a site won't necessarily think to check in places that seem obvious to people who have been here longer. Just because we (the established user base) know that the Production Bible has the links to the 'standard' questions, doesn't mean a new user will think to look there.

[Basic A]

I'd like to see the stickies organised a bit better. Currently we have;

AIM list
WIP
Sample Pack 30
Sample Pack 29
Demo Panel

Could do with the How Do You Make This Sound Thread being made sticky, and a clearing up of the Sample Pack threads.

Also, the top announcement titled "Skrillex, Borgore, heavily processed bass : explained!" - could this title be amended to include the word MASSIVE so that it's the first thing that many people see when they check the board? Alternatively, a new announcement entitled "NI MASSIVE BASSLINE SYNTH - FAQ & COMPLETE GUIDE" be created, to include a repository of all Massive tutorials/links/threads/screenshots/patches etc etc. I'd have no problem collating a list should this idea be pursued, I've got a working list that I dish out half the time anyway.

Could also do with a similarly titled announcement thread re; £RESAMPLING - FAQ & COMPLETE GUIDE". Again, I've got a list of Resampling threads etc that I've been cutting and pasting, but if we had an announcement thread at the very top clearly labelled, it would cut down on a lot of the repeat threads.

I'm aware that a lot of this is covered in the Production Bible etc, but in all fairness the thread title Production Bible isn't all that clear, and I'm afraid to say that (and this is largely drawing on my Uni research into Human Computer Interaction within online communities, so bear with me), unless things are clearly labelled new users to a site won't necessarily think to check in places that seem obvious to people who have been here longer. Just because we (the established user base) know that the Production Bible has the links to the 'standard' questions, doesn't mean a new user will think to look there.

Me n legend4ry have had chats about the merits of different titles for the 'Filth Wobbles' thread, and the concept I believe is to take the most frequently requested filth bass names of the month or whatever and put them in the title to immediately catch the attention of anyone showing up asking about it... if you remember, a while back that was the datsik excision sound thread, but they arent split-frequency-bass-of-the-week now, so its skrillex this week, next week, who knows. But I think its a sensible system that adapts the keyword to the times at hand.

I think it wouldnt hurt the mods to show less tolerance for repeated topics. As a rule of thumb if there is a sitcky for it (Skrillex bass say), and there is more then 1 post already on the first page, threads could be locked or appenged. Yeah, youll get some angry people wondering why. Oh well.

Agree completely about the stickies, clear up the sample packs, how do I make this sound thread needs stickied. all the majoy synths like massive and stuff have dedicated threads that get ignored, and they are part of the sticky system though, easily found in the 'START HERE' thread. But the caps locked words start here dont catch the eye enough.

[Depone]

I remember maling my point about this in a thread a while back, and remember asking for a subforum for more technical questions, but to acess it, you had to be a member for a certain time, or had an invite, or a certain post count. This is in no means to lock people out, but to at least keep the bot, trolls and the people who frequently fly by asking about skrillex, but dont actually add anything to this community.

We need more things like the meetups and tune battels to bring everyone in.

I also believe that there should be more interactions from the old regulars, how about making deasly habit or fstz a moderator? Or if not a mod, how about hranting them power to remove posts?

I have to agree, this forum needs a kick up the arse back into action. I feel that questions posted here are so basic, people cant be arsed to reply/help. We need support from some of the bigger names who are members, but since stopped posting. I remember there was always an interesting production thread to read, but now the questions are more like, "what is a daw?, how do i make insert generic bass term here"

Im writing this from my phone, so excuse any typos

[Dyssomnia]

A topic like that is pretty useful, but I don't think I would have a worthy question to ask there.
Still, I'd like to read it for my own interest instead, so make it a read-by-noobs-only & old-experienced-people-post-only forum?

[nowaysj]

Could stickying that brostep thread be bringing all these filth children to the board. Maybe google thinks we're all about the bro?

[ToxicBass]

Right I'm no website designer so don't know if these things are even possible but here goes.

I agree with the notion of a separate sub forum for more technological based threads, however I don't think it should be completely closed off to noobs. I think they should be able to freely browse the forum and gain info from it, just with their posting privileges disabled for that sub forum until they gain the right to post there. The problem is how to decide who's allowed to post fairly? I say that because I lurked around this forum for a very long time before joining and if it wasn't for the really technological threads I wouldn't of even joined.

I also think it would be amazing if there was any way that you could incorporate the google search for DSF somewhere as an applet at the top of the production section with some way of indicating to people to use it first, this should cut the skrillex threads hopefully.

The stickies are great, however it'd be a lot more useful if you could barebones them a bit more just down to the advice instead of 50 posts of 'yeah eq with bitcrusher on the sub bass with full steroe seperation init'. I'm not saying to delete the posts but maybe make a mirror thread with just the useful advice in it. A noob isn't going to wade through shit tonnes of responses looking for something, if he doesn't find it on a plate easily he'll just reach for the new thread button.

Lastly a filter that a filter that sends the user of any posts about skrillex to an alpaca sub section of the forum consisting of a gallery of alpacas with a download link for HAM VST which pays a £20 donation to the DSF paypal account.

Just joking on the last part though

[Depone]

A topic like that is pretty useful, but I don't think I would have a worthy question to ask there.
Still, I'd like to read it for my own interest instead, so make it a read-by-noobs-only & old-experienced-people-post-only forum?

Yeah read only is a good one.

[Karoshi]

i haven't been here for that long, but always come to read the production forum. i cant really compare to what it use to be like but at the minute (no offence to any of the older members) the one thing that pisses me off the most is the older members spamming up new members threads. i know that it is frustrating that all these questions keep getting asked but everyones gotta start somewhere.

i like the idea of a more advanced sub forum, but not an invitation only thing, it should be open to anyone imo. i doubt it will get spammed up with new kids as most of them accept that they are bginners so would probably stay out of the advanced part. keeping the advanced section open would also be good for people like me who doesnt post much, but reads alot and doesnt concider myself advanced, but not a beginner either.

just my thoughts though

[pete_bubonic]

I think a lot of the problems stem from there being two very different types of producers here. As Nowaysj says,those just starting out and may have only found out about dubstep in the last couple of months and just wanna get feedback or make a datsik bass and fuck anything else. And those who have been on this thing for a while, have actual technical queries or involved discussion points. But to say it's beyond redemption is being melodramatic imo.

However, without specific reasons given or problems to address to stop the forum going shit, how can you improve it? The Grid on Dogs on Acid is still my number one spot for technical questions and alike, but it's been about for fucking years and years. It's had time to mature and the waves of new users who came to that board when they where young and rowdy (such as myself) have learnt a lot and chilled out.

I think some more compilation/how-to stickies could help, then all the repeated questions can go there and anyone who obviously doesn't read them or search before posting gets a warning straight up. But I don't want this place to be unfriendly, I want people to still be able to crack jokes and post pictures of themselves, or even link to tunes they're currently feeling.

Things do need to be labelled ultra clearly, I thought the changing of the feedback/free320 tags to icons in the dubs forum was a mistake, because it didn't make it fucking blatantly obvious what meant what. And now that forum looks very much like it did before we started tagging things altogether.

I hate the idea of a sub forum that you need to 'earn' access to, could be bare experienced dnb/house/garage or even dubstep producers who only just signed up. But we don't think they're 'worthy' to access/post. Not really on that tbh.