Need help with making unique synths with Razor/Massive

[Chees3]

Hey I've been working with ableton live for a few months now. I bought Razor and Massive. I have a lot of good sounds now and starting to structure my song in the arrangement view. Now i'm having troubles making the perfect sound that I want. I have a M-Audio 25 key keyboard that I mess around with the knobs and try to record and get a good loop but i'm having a hard time puttin the wobble sound that i want from my head into the computer. Is there a way where I can draw out the knob turns(As in the rate/other knobs) from Razor instead of manually playing with the knobs? If not do I just gotta keep practicing til I get it right? :\

Also if anyone has any good tips on what audio effects I can use to put over synths that would be much appericiated. Right now i'm just tossing EQ8 on all my synths to blast the bass in all my wobbles.

[drokkr]

Troll?

Practice, practice and practice some more. A few months in is hardly enough time to be getting frustrated about the sounds you want to, but not learned how to yet, produce.

Use Google and Youtube.
Automation - look it up in your DAW and synth manuals.
Learn how to EQ, layer and split frequencies on your basses.

[Chees3]

I wasn't trying to troll, I'm new to all this and just trying to figure out what I should be progressing towards. I've been hella dedicated on getting this down. I've been just making projects and tossing things together in arangement view. I've got a good intro to my first song that I wanna complete but I'm just trying to get a good wobble/other dubstep synths onto it. I have a good drop but I just need to expand the body of the song.

[ephyks]

I wasn't trying to troll, I'm new to all this and just trying to figure out what I should be progressing towards. I've been hella dedicated on getting this down. I've been just making projects and tossing things together in arangement view. I've got a good intro to my first song that I wanna complete but I'm just trying to get a good wobble/other dubstep synths onto it. I have a good drop but I just need to expand the body of the song.

I encourage you Chees3. Though drokkr is right and what you mentioned with the first post. Just practice. Personally, I don't watch any youtube videos. I want everything I do to be fresh, and my own style, so I stay away from developing others habits, but it does teach you a lot, so it's your decision. The best way to learn is just keep making songs. Bad or good, keep posting them. You may get some shit review, some being very discouraging, but just keep making. No one ever nails it from the get go. I like you am still learning my DAW. I've only got about half a year of producing behind me. Though I make songs almost everyday. So I'm constantly learning shit. I also experiment around with different things like wobble variations and beat patterns. Though synth wise and making a more enjoyable body to a song, you need a good intro vibe. This always sets the tone for the rest of the song. I can't tell you how much I hate songs that have a good intro vibe but completely deviate away from it when the drop hits. I also use Razor, so I have a system of how I layer my wobbles.
1.Pad
2.Saw Bass
3.Deep Sub Bass
4.Pluck strings
5.Wobble
Surprisingly I always make my wobbles last. I follow over that vibe from the intro onto the wobbles. Don't try to force inspiration when making dubstep. Make a fragment of a song. Come back to it the next day. Fix up what you hear and make another part. It needs to be natural. Once that track is finished and fully polished, release it and let the bitches suck ya dick.

[Chees3]

Thats sick I'll keep practicing.. Thanks for the tips!!! Idk what I would do without this forum hehe.

[TheHuman]

about razor (but pretains to all synthesis in general)
its all about automation.. all thoes knobs can be controlled by different peramiters (ie. lfo, mod wheel, envelope, echo step, velocity...whateva) so make any old kinda noise in your ocilators then start fucknig with the peramiters of all the knobs and assigning different things to them to really get your sounds moving around and really create that feeling of movement, also mess with your adsr settings and effects can really give you alot of interesting sonds you never thought of... try tossing lfos on reverb or pitchbend on your freq knobs! anything really and i love that you can asign the modwheel to anything/everything it gives you alot of interesting noises (go threw presets and move your mod wheel around.. youll be suprised!) also try reverse engineering preset patches.. good way to figure out how things tick.......
hope that helped!

All the sounds in this track below i made in massive with the exception of the percussion

[hifi]

sometimes producing takes longer to learn than others. just dedicate yourself man, and learn basic song structuring as well then start experimenting with what genre you want to be making then later on start designing sounds then learn how to mix them.

[wub]

Hey I've been working with ableton live for a few months now. I bought Razor and Massive. I have a lot of good sounds now and starting to structure my song in the arrangement view. Now i'm having troubles making the perfect sound that I want. I have a M-Audio 25 key keyboard that I mess around with the knobs and try to record and get a good loop but i'm having a hard time puttin the wobble sound that i want from my head into the computer. Is there a way where I can draw out the knob turns(As in the rate/other knobs) from Razor instead of manually playing with the knobs? If not do I just gotta keep practicing til I get it right? :\

Also if anyone has any good tips on what audio effects I can use to put over synths that would be much appericiated. Right now i'm just tossing EQ8 on all my synths to blast the bass in all my wobbles.

If you're just starting off with getting your head round Massive/Razor, your best bet is probably to reverse engineer a sound;

- Pick to a patch you like, for example Brutal Electro (not my favourite but good for this example), and take a screenshot of it. Print Screen that shit. Seriously.
- Now, load up that screenshot into Paint.
- Go back to Massive and load up a blank user patch.
- Now using your screenshot, try and recreate the screenshotted patch in this blank user patch.
- Listen carefully to see what each turn of each knob does to the sound. How does the sound change if you do things in a different order? What does the modulation do to the sound if you reduce/increase certain parameters?
- Once you've built the patch from scratch, save it and pick another preset you like. Do the same.
- Repeat until you have a working knowledge of each and every knob switch and feature on the synth.
- Now, try and build your own unique sound from scratch.

The above is a bit long winded, but in terms of teaching you how to use a synth, reverse engineering patches is a fantastic way of understanding how certain sounds are obtained. I use Brutal Electro as an example, as when I was doing this I was staggered by just how much the sound changes based on the ADSR positioning.

Anyway, welcome and enjoy. Mastering a synth isn't always easy, but damn making noise is FUN

[jaimelee]

If you're just starting off with getting your head round Massive/Razor, your best bet is probably to reverse engineer a sound;

- Pick to a patch you like, for example Brutal Electro (not my favourite but good for this example), and take a screenshot of it. Print Screen that shit. Seriously.
- Now, load up that screenshot into Paint.
- Go back to Massive and load up a blank user patch.
- Now using your screenshot, try and recreate the screenshotted patch in this blank user patch.
- Listen carefully to see what each turn of each knob does to the sound. How does the sound change if you do things in a different order? What does the modulation do to the sound if you reduce/increase certain parameters?
- Once you've built the patch from scratch, save it and pick another preset you like. Do the same.
- Repeat until you have a working knowledge of each and every knob switch and feature on the synth.
- Now, try and build your own unique sound from scratch.

The above is a bit long winded, but in terms of teaching you how to use a synth, reverse engineering patches is a fantastic way of understanding how certain sounds are obtained. I use Brutal Electro as an example, as when I was doing this I was staggered by just how much the sound changes based on the ADSR positioning.

Anyway, welcome and enjoy. Mastering a synth isn't always easy, but damn making noise is FUN

Perfectly Illustrated!