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Ok no matter what the hell i do, i dont get ANY good sounding wobbles coming out of reason, even after 30 minutes of fiddling... Whereas when i use Massive with Ableton i can get an awesome sounding wobble in 2 minutes...

Please help, im sure there is a way. Please exclude resampling techniques!

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samdam1 wrote:Whereas when i use Massive with Ableton i can get an awesome sounding wobble in 2 minutes...

Why not use them then?

Filthzilla wrote:

samdam1 wrote:Whereas when i use Massive with Ableton i can get an awesome sounding wobble in 2 minutes...

Why not use them then?

well i like to use reason more than any other DAW so yeh, go figue haha.
What DAW are you using? The mothership remix is brute!

Tired of people saying reason doesn't sound as good as others or "oh this track sounds reason" wtf?
Reason is the same fucking thing as any other daw(except of course of audio files and no VSt support) and with the synths you can do whatever you like.I suggest you stop watching MASSSive Wobblesz tutorials!1! and you start understanding and using synths..then you won't have any problems making nice wobbles in reason,both the tracks in my sig were made on reason

you say no good wobbles come out of reason. but the fact is your not making any good wobbles come out of it. plenty of good wobbles come out of reason.

i find it fairly easy to make a decent sounding bass in reason just by twiddling certain parameters somewhat randomly.

malstroms complexity ceases to amaze me. Find a cool waveform, turn movement all the way down, search for a pleasant grain, adjust using the shift knobs, send to filter.
Use Mod A for some synched pitch shifting or something like that.
Adjust filter envelope....

peaches and cake mate

Your not giving it enough time. After 30 minutes a basspatch can sound awful, but if you put an extra hour or two in to it it could be one of the best you made, I know this is true since it has happened to me several times. Try splitting frequencies, setting up not one distortion unit but three or four very subtle ones, rerout Malströms oscillators through Thors filters, try layering two Basspatches but with different effects and so on and so on. Reason is to me the DAW or VST (or whatever) for making interesting bass sounds, since you can route everything so quick and easily.

I have a few more tips for you:
Use two or three different synth patches to make one bass sound. First Eq them individually, then together to. Be careful with throwing in to many effects though.
Use the wavetable oscillators in Thor and Malström if you are looking for that NI Massive kind of sound.
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The reason you're getting DECENT wubs out of Massive is because they pretty much hand you the basses right there, all you need to do is put on 3 oscillators, maybe add a filter, and you're done.

Try learning about how to use synths and then you will be able to make wobbles out of anything.

Oh and also, why no resampling? You lazy?

NRHc wrote:Tired of people saying reason doesn't sound as good as others or "oh this track sounds reason" wtf?
Reason is the same fucking thing as any other daw(except of course of audio files and no VSt support) and with the synths you can do whatever you like.I suggest you stop watching MASSSive Wobblesz tutorials!1! and you start understanding and using synths..then you won't have any problems making nice wobbles in reason,both the tracks in my sig were made on reason

your tracks sound like they were made in reason. Def has its own distinct sound.... which is why I quit for ableton

edit: and u make a pretty good case against it in your own post

im not trying to be a dick im just looking out for ur production i stood by reason for a long time til i switched, i could never escape all the songs having a similar tambre which was way too apparent on my car system.

its all about the effects in reason and routing fuck with the cv's and stuff you'll get some interesting sounds

wow u make me want to make a reason tutorial vid.

I get a lot of good bass sounds out of reason!
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MoonUnit wrote:
malstroms complexity ceases to amaze me. Find a cool waveform, turn movement all the way down, search for a pleasant grain, adjust using the shift knobs, send to filter.
Use Mod A for some synched pitch shifting or something like that.
Adjust filter envelope....

peaches and cake mate

So are you saying Malstrom's complexity no longer amazes you (ceases to) or did you mean that it always amazes you (never ceases to)? Not at all trying to be a dick here just wanna be sure of the context of your statement (which is difficult through text alone). Personally I've found it's complexity never ceases to amaze me. Not in terms of difficulty of use but in flexibility and range of usable sounds and routing possibilities.

Err. I will stop back here to post a patch. good wobbles love coming out of Reason. you gotta coax them out the right way. Will be back later

massive is easier if your a noob and reasons synths r.. just still easy!
also i hate when people say massive or reason hav a distinct sound.. man there are masses of sounds and basses they can create, the possibilities are endless. just be more creative in the way you use this synths! thor maelstrom and subtraktor are amazing for wobbles & id say massive is the most insane for bass when pushing it far and learning everything u can about it

Coki uses Reason. Never heard something so unique as his basslines.

sunny_b_uk wrote:massive is easier if your a noob and reasons synths r.. just still easy!
also i hate when people say massive or reason hav a distinct sound.. man there are masses of sounds and basses they can create, the possibilities are endless. just be more creative in the way you use this synths! thor maelstrom and subtraktor are amazing for wobbles & id say massive is the most insane for bass when pushing it far and learning everything u can about it

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I tend to agree with ya about the sound issue, to be honest I don't really like when other producers piss on a track just because they can recognize the origin of the sounds or even the daw. To me it's akin to people criticizing artwork that is obvious in form and technique. Sure there is a natural attraction for us towards techniques and sounds that are mysterious, but if the end product is a killer mix and or beautiful piece of art, it shouldn't matter that the way it was constructed is no secret. Sure "you" could've produced that track, or painted that piece, but you didn't. But really I think he was saying a lot of mixes as a whole are identifiable as being done in Reason. Which to be honest I know what he means there, especially with older versions of Reason, but I agree with you that this isn't always the case and there are plenty of killer tracks that prove this stigma to be false.

[asterisk] wrote:

sunny_b_uk wrote:massive is easier if your a noob and reasons synths r.. just still easy!
also i hate when people say massive or reason hav a distinct sound.. man there are masses of sounds and basses they can create, the possibilities are endless. just be more creative in the way you use this synths! thor maelstrom and subtraktor are amazing for wobbles & id say massive is the most insane for bass when pushing it far and learning everything u can about it

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I tend to agree with ya about the sound issue, to be honest I don't really like when other producers piss on a track just because they can recognize the origin of the sounds or even the daw. To me it's akin to people criticizing artwork that is obvious in form and technique. Sure there is a natural attraction for us towards techniques and sounds that are mysterious, but if the end product is a killer mix and or beautiful piece of art, it shouldn't matter that the way it was constructed is no secret. Sure "you" could've produced that track, or painted that piece, but you didn't. But really I think he was saying a lot of mixes as a whole are identifiable as being done in Reason. Which to be honest I know what he means there, especially with older versions of Reason, but I agree with you that this isn't always the case and there are plenty of killer tracks that prove this stigma to be false.

yeah tbh i can tell with a lot of tracks what synth has been mainly used but i really dont care about that, for example coki definately uses subtraktor in reason IMO and his signature basses are dead easy 2 make in subtraktor (if u use it ul know) its spot on so i just know he uses it.. but i love the vibe on his tunes and i still like listening to his music regardless of that.
to the OP its better to just tweak your sounds more to be different.. and if u cant b bothered to get into endless hours of sound design then just be different by arranging your basses differently. iv heard some nice songs with terrible basses but good unique melodies and that will actually make me wana listen 2 it lol. its all about arrangement man

samdam1 wrote:Ok no matter what the hell i do, i dont get ANY good sounding wobbles coming out of reason, even after 30 minutes of fiddling... Whereas when i use Massive with Ableton i can get an awesome sounding wobble in 2 minutes...

Please help, im sure there is a way. Please exclude resampling techniques!

Much love <3

read up on synthesis. malstrom and thor are amazing synths when used properly, subtractor too. their may not be a million tutorials of reason like there is on massive but still don't just copy other videos actually learn what each knob does then use your head on how to achieve whatever sound you want.

also resampling isn't necessarily needed all the time but it can be helpful in whatever situation your in. why not resample in reason when it can be useful? i find it extremely easy to bounce audio out of reason, i do it all the time for my drums