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Ok, so I just bought the Producer's Edition of FL, realized that I should have gotten the pack signature thing.. cuz that includes Sytrus.. damn. Anyway, is there anything I can use to make a wobbling bass like Sytrus, but that I don't have to pay $100 something dollars for? I just got FL-Studio... that was like $199 or something...

3x osc will do. use that

Not-Sytrus, but sounds like Sytrus... clitorus?

sunny_b_uk wrote:Not-Sytrus, but sounds like Sytrus... clitorus?

And we have a winner!

Anything that can generate a sine wave is as capable as any synth.

jrisreal wrote:Anything that can generate a sine wave is as capable as any synth.

I hear that thrown around a lot, but it simply isn't true. You couldn't do the things you do in sylenth 1 in 3xosc. And you couldn't do the things you can do with massive in sylenth1. And you can't do things in massive that you can do in zebra. Every synth is incredibly different.

sargentpilcher wrote:

jrisreal wrote:Anything that can generate a sine wave is as capable as any synth.

I hear that thrown around a lot, but it simply isn't true. You couldn't do the things you do in sylenth 1 in 3xosc. And you couldn't do the things you can do with massive in sylenth1. And you can't do things in massive that you can do in zebra. Every synth is incredibly different.

Actually you can. All sounds are made up of harmonics (frequencies/sine waves) and if you have enough instances of 3xosc you can recreate all those frequencies with sine waves and get the exact same sound.

jrisreal wrote:

sargentpilcher wrote:

jrisreal wrote:Anything that can generate a sine wave is as capable as any synth.

I hear that thrown around a lot, but it simply isn't true. You couldn't do the things you do in sylenth 1 in 3xosc. And you couldn't do the things you can do with massive in sylenth1. And you can't do things in massive that you can do in zebra. Every synth is incredibly different.

Actually you can. All sounds are made up of harmonics (frequencies/sine waves) and if you have enough instances of 3xosc you can recreate all those frequencies with sine waves and get the exact same sound.

Well if you want to argue symantecs I guess it's technically possible, but I mean practically. Nobody is going to have 500 instances of 3xosc going in order to get the sound they wanted from fm8, or massive.

sargentpilcher wrote:

jrisreal wrote:

sargentpilcher wrote:

jrisreal wrote:Anything that can generate a sine wave is as capable as any synth.

I hear that thrown around a lot, but it simply isn't true. You couldn't do the things you do in sylenth 1 in 3xosc. And you couldn't do the things you can do with massive in sylenth1. And you can't do things in massive that you can do in zebra. Every synth is incredibly different.

Actually you can. All sounds are made up of harmonics (frequencies/sine waves) and if you have enough instances of 3xosc you can recreate all those frequencies with sine waves and get the exact same sound.

Well if you want to argue symantecs I guess it's technically possible, but I mean practically. Nobody is going to have 500 instances of 3xosc going in order to get the sound they wanted from fm8, or massive.

Well according to Teknicyde, you can generate any single-cycle waveform using a single instance of 3xosc. So you really just have to know what you're doing.

jrisreal wrote:

sargentpilcher wrote:

jrisreal wrote:

sargentpilcher wrote:

jrisreal wrote:Anything that can generate a sine wave is as capable as any synth.

I hear that thrown around a lot, but it simply isn't true. You couldn't do the things you do in sylenth 1 in 3xosc. And you couldn't do the things you can do with massive in sylenth1. And you can't do things in massive that you can do in zebra. Every synth is incredibly different.

Actually you can. All sounds are made up of harmonics (frequencies/sine waves) and if you have enough instances of 3xosc you can recreate all those frequencies with sine waves and get the exact same sound.

Well if you want to argue symantecs I guess it's technically possible, but I mean practically. Nobody is going to have 500 instances of 3xosc going in order to get the sound they wanted from fm8, or massive.

Well according to Teknicyde, you can generate any single-cycle waveform using a single instance of 3xosc. So you really just have to know what you're doing.

That's only if you use custom waveforms, and who can make custom waveforms to their own specifications? It's pretty much impossible.

Jacob15728 wrote:

jrisreal wrote:

sargentpilcher wrote:

jrisreal wrote:

sargentpilcher wrote:I hear that thrown around a lot, but it simply isn't true. You couldn't do the things you do in sylenth 1 in 3xosc. And you couldn't do the things you can do with massive in sylenth1. And you can't do things in massive that you can do in zebra. Every synth is incredibly different.

Actually you can. All sounds are made up of harmonics (frequencies/sine waves) and if you have enough instances of 3xosc you can recreate all those frequencies with sine waves and get the exact same sound.

Well if you want to argue symantecs I guess it's technically possible, but I mean practically. Nobody is going to have 500 instances of 3xosc going in order to get the sound they wanted from fm8, or massive.

Well according to Teknicyde, you can generate any single-cycle waveform using a single instance of 3xosc. So you really just have to know what you're doing.

That's only if you use custom waveforms, and who can make custom waveforms to their own specifications? It's pretty much impossible.

nope. forget custom waveforms, with just saw, square, sine, triangle, noise, and that weird extra one.

why use other wave forms anyway? i mean some of the best sounds out there are made using the standard Sine,Saw Square waves etc. with the right effects, you can carve your sine wave into a multitude of things

using custom wave forms, saw waves etc might make things a bit easier but with sines alone.. who out there has the ability to make a whole variety of amazing basses, drums, and other instruments from only adding sine waves everywhere?

im aware of everything being sine waves since i use harmor in FL & its nice to say its all possible with just sines but its really more time saving to use other synthesis methods id say.

also to Sargentpilcher, with powerful synths like sylenth and massive etc.. its totally possible to make a lot of the same complex sounds in these synths.

it might feel that each synth has its "own generic sound" (as iv heard in DSF before) but that isnt really the case. they all have a generic sound when used at an average user level but with a whole bunch of tweaking and more use of different envelopes on all the parameters.. litterally anything is possible.

sunny_b_uk wrote:who out there has the ability to make a whole variety of amazing basses, drums, and other instruments from only adding sine waves everywhere?

I don't normally do this for basses, but I almost always do this when building pads.

Would you mind if I asked you to put your money where your mouth is and show us some examples? I don't personally claim to be the greatest synth programmer, so you aren't up against much, but I would love a synth off. You use 3xosc, and I'll use whatever synth I like, and see which one sounds better.

alright...next week? rules?

haha, alright. Uhm, how about we each pick a sound to imitate from a commercial song, and we each try to mimic both. Like I pick a sound, you pick a sound, and we each have to make both sounds.

You only get 3xosc, and I can use everything but 3xosc.

edit: all sounds must be made from scratch. No presets to start us off.

sargentpilcher wrote:haha, alright. Uhm, how about we each pick a sound to imitate from a commercial song, and we each try to mimic both. Like I pick a sound, you pick a sound, and we each have to make both sounds.

You only get 3xosc, and I can use everything but 3xosc.

edit: all sounds must be made from scratch. No presets to start us off.

good stuff...I don't picture myself winning this, but I'll give it a shot.

If you don't picture yourself winning this, then why do you still think 3x0sc is capable of making every sound any other synth can make? I'm really just trying to prove a point