hard attacking/pluck sub

oxith_lo · Post by **oxith_lo** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:27 am

im wondering how to make a sub with a very strong attack that hits almost as hard as a kick would. a good example is kryptic minds-no more no less. the sub hits between the kicks and just plucks so nicely, but i cant seem to get it to be that strong. ive messed with res and cutoff as that seems to be the direction. any types of tips some of you guys could help me out with?
note: I'm not trying to remake the song/same exact sound. I'd just like to create a patch of a sub with a very heavy attack.
thanks for any help in advance!

heres a link to the tune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO7artWP94s

vertx · Post by **vertx** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:38 am

zero attack time (low-pass so you don't get clicking), low sustain on amp envelope, pitch bend on attack e.g 7 semi-tones bending down to your root note extremely quickly will all give your sub punch - I think for that tune they used a low-passed 808 kick though.

You could also look at transient shaping if your using samples

Brian Oblivion · Post by **Brian Oblivion** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:32 am

yeah 808s are what you want.

Heres some 808 samples....

http://www.sendspace.com/file/l0ly56

Heres how you would make it in something like massive...

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oxith_lo · Post by **oxith_lo** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:11 pm

awesome, thanks for the help guys. be good.

bassinine · Post by **bassinine** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:34 pm

make your amp envelope look like a downward ramp, which is basically one cycle of a saw wave that starts at maximum volume and quickly decays to silence. I mean, you kinda answered your own question in the topic title.

bassinine · Post by **bassinine** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:38 pm

oh, and making an 808 you have to have the attack rise in pitch quickly, then during the decay it will pitch down slowly.

lloydy · Post by **lloydy** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:49 pm

vertx wrote:zero attack time (low-pass so you don't get clicking), low sustain on amp envelope, pitch bend on attack e.g 7 semi-tones bending down to your root note extremely quickly will all give your sub punch - I think for that tune they used a low-passed 808 kick though.

You could also look at transient shaping if your using samples

This,fast pitch bend at start of note gives a more pronounced attack,very easy to set up in massive and a very good technique to use on variety of sounds.

Lectric · Post by **Lectric** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:04 pm

just incase you were wondering Kryptic Minds said that the bass they used in No More No Less was an 808 sample. It was the track they were doing in their masterclass

oxith_lo · Post by **oxith_lo** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:53 am

yeah 808s the way to go. thanks for all the help people.

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